The build up to this episode has been quite similar to "Cloudy With a Chance of Murder" and "Probable Cause", in that there have been many people assuming the worst case scenario, but ultimately being proven wrong. I think the same will happen here.
In a round about way I think Meredith will actually help ease some of Kate's fears, especially if she owns up to Kate that she ruined her chance with Rick by cheating on him. I'm sure that if Kate learns this then she will look at Rick in a whole new light.
I get the feeling that this episode, the upcoming one (that has yet to be named as far as I know) featuring Senator Bracken and Dr. Burke, and the Valentine's Day episode have been designed to move this relationship to the next level. We'll have to wait and see if this is accurate or not but it's the feeling I have. I have heard about Michael Auseillo's "blind item" about a couple splitting up in the Season Finale that could be Caskett, but I believe that the Season Finale of Castle may have only just been written at this stage and it's too early to jump to any conclusions about it.
For now lets just enjoy the ride and have a good time watching the episode tonight!
I believe Auseillo's "blind item" was Michael and Fiona of Burn Notice. She walked away from him when she realized he had gone back to being a spy in the season finale. Also their 7th season has only half the episodes ordered. Expected ti be its final season.
I totally agree with everything you said 12:12~ adn I am making a wish that you are right:) and let's all just enjoy the ride and show. It's what I say over and over......it's all in the name of good times and fun - I can't wait!
I only will see at tomorrow, unfortunattly (im from Europe) :( Bt im sure, it will be nice this episode, just have faith, because this season will be awesome.. There's no moonlight curse, this show is better than ever. IMO this epsiode will rock in so many aways, at first, i belive meredith will drop kate's fears, by telling her what really happen for their marriage fail. Although, i belive she will try to put moves on him, maybe because she can't handle the fact that he is in a serious relationship, and for the fist time he is in love, and can resist to have occasional sex with her. So obviously it will be pissing her off. But im looking forward for today (although i have seen a lot of spoilers and sneak peeks, and im sorry for that, because now will lost the most fun). But the point is the next episodes that will hair, like valentines day and the 2 part episode, will be awesome, and we might get to hear that 3 words for kate, that we all are looking for since they kiss. I cant wait to see the reaction of gates when she founds out anyway , i think will be priceless and nothing we are expecting. (imo i guess she already knows). But will be fun to watch. Then for the end of the season i would like to see those 3 words, them breaking up and then get back, and kate (for some motive) wonder if she is pregnant, and dont know how to deal with, and how to talk to castle about it. Sorry for my english, but is not my main.
Yes, I thought of how it would be fun if she thought she was pg and how that would play out, but, if Ryan and Jenny have a baby, that will def. make them think........I thought of the only way to have awesome sex that they might show would be make up sex, so that would insue a fight, and the only way AM would have them break up if if they get back together right away! I don't mind that I saw so many sp's b/c we have no idea how they are all pieced together and there will still be lots of fun stuff in there! I am super stoked for tonight and the fact that we have what 13 eps to go this season????!
Cannot wait for tonights episode!! I sure hope the blind item isn't Caskett since Marlowe basically said they were in the relationship "in it to win it". I know its still to early to have many clues about the blind item but does anybody know if Aussielo had given any clues such as what TV network the breakup will be on? I don't think i could take a whole summer knowing they broke up! ~ Brittany
Re The blind item nope the network has not been mentioned as of yet unless i have missed something but i dont see caste hving just one more season now for tonights ep i cant wait should be good
Andrew Marlowe also once said that it would be unfair to pull the rug out from under the fans after they spent four seasons waiting for the two characters to get together. Michael Ausseilo's "blind item" would be a strange one because all the noises I've heard since before and after the two characters got together have pointed towards the show's creators wanting to tell the story with the two characters together in a relationship. The last two Season Finales have had the two characters entering "cooling off" periods after heated arguments, effectively semi "breaking up" before reconciling later on in the episodes. Perhaps this happens again? They have done it twice however and are not likely to do it again. It is expected that the Season Finale will involve Senator Bracken again, so maybe choices are made by one or both of them to protect each other? Who knows?!
Technically Marlowe only said that it wouldn't be fair to split them up right away, as Moonlighting did the next episode (or 2) later. I still don't think the blind item is Castle because I don't see how they could break up and get back together without actually talking to each other, which would be out of character, IMHO. Right now, their non-talking but in a relationship is a delicate balance and a break-up at / towards the end of the season would tip it too much. I couldn't imagine either of them taking the other back if something like that happened.
I went and did some reasearching in the internet and Aussillo said it may be going into its last season. I know Nathan said he would like to see 7 sessions and know that the show went out really well yet other than his comment there had been been real indication from producers or soulless that next season would be the last ago that builds my faith a little but, that the blind item isn't Castle. Let's hope! ~ Brittany
So excited!! It's been such a long wait!!! Sometimes, I am just hit with the perfectness of this show... That Castle and Beckett are in love and I love them and its just so wonderful. Gahhh, I already know I'm gonna get all sorts of Casketty feels tonight!! :)
yeah, me too, but, it was a great lead in to KB finally going to go after more info. about RC.......you know that's why they did that........good, good ep!!!
I feel like an ending like that is only appropriate in a show that follows up on what's been said the next week. It was also a bit of a downer at the end of a show that was generally happy/funny, which just made it all seem a bit off. I mean, I love that the show is going into more serious territory with their relationship and Kate is now insecure about something that has nothing to do with other women, but because it was at the end like that I'm not all that confident that "insight" Meredith provided will be brought up between B&C. Weird. What do others think?
Me again. Not to be a downer on the ep. Loved it. Just wondering about that ending. I think it was also weird Meredith didn't drop in an "oh, that's what I was thinking and then I cheated on him" or something. Why is that still something that Kate doesn't know?
I think that the fact that meredith didn't mention the cheating was a hole in the writing, for realz. it happens. also, I think it's great that the ep was light and fun and the end got a little deeper and sadder. also, I think it was great that the writers started to shift the focus a little from beckett to castle. for a show called "Castle", it's been a while since we learned details about Rick or saw any development of his character other than being in love with kate.
i thought the murderer was super obvious from the beginning. maybe i'm just figuring 'castle' out better since i've been able to guess them all season (except for ep 4, but even then i should have)
well, better than in previous episodes where the team just went form suspect to suspect and, in the end, the murderer was a tenth person that didn't even appear in the episode, like the writers had to pull someone out of their asses.
Meredith just doesn't give the main reason why it didn't work with Rick. She doesn't say she cheated, that's why Kate looks sad at the end and that's why many many guys are gonna bother us for a week because they will now be afraid of a breakup!!....but there will be no breakup and next monday, everything will be fine!!!!
not next week, but maybe end of season, where all the insecurities pile up and finally blow in caskett's face? I know Marlowe promised he wouldn't break them up, but he has lied before.
Technically, Marlowe just promised that they wouldn't break up right away, as that's what moonlighting did (like the next ep or something). But still, I do think that the show wouldn't last through a break-up and I highly doubt the show will go there. If they broke up they'd actually have to talk to each other to get back together, which isn't in character, IMHO.
I'm really tired of the fact that every week there is a little fight between caskett, that kate has one gazillion insecurities regarding their relationship. seriously, it's getting old pretty fast, as well as the dark and interrupted kisses. kate knows rick loves her... I understand that she is damaged, but this is going too far.
I didn't really take it as a downer and adding to KB's insecurities but rather that she was saddened by this part of Castle that hasn't been shared. In a way, I thought there was even a look like KB will want to help him with the whole father thing.
yes, a caskett kiss, sweet and everything kinda long too, for the standards, but freaking dark as usual. (f*** you directors and light department and bowman and marlowe with this bs), as well as fun bickering... and a little possible heart twisting at the end.
It was a great ep! Don't let the naysayers get you down. It rocks. I trust AM. Great setup. If you want to watch early - links are on the side. I watched early, but, now will go home and watch again live!!!!!
SPOILER F U Meredith at the end seriously and Im tired of Kates insecurities and dark kisses and just its Sophia all over again bla bla and then we have poor clueless Castle whoopie doooo as far as Im concerne not good ep at all !!! but there is a next week always
Sad to see that that's the way you interpreted the episode. I'm not intending to be mean or rude but you sound like one of those people who only care about the relationship and appear to overlook the bigger picture unfolding here. Take it from me, I would rather watch this relationship grow the way it is now than just have them happily blissful with nothing ever interfering with them, because the show would quickly run out of steam if that's all that happened. Despite what Meredith told Kate at the end of the episode, Kate is clearly smart enough to recognize that Rick is a completely different man from what Meredith sees him as. Don't be worried that Kate will take Meredith's words to heart and become even more insecure. Remember that Kate didn't let Sophia's words get to her and that was before Kate gave into her feelings for Rick.
"Men are clueless." "Men? Or just... Castle?" HAHA. Love the Beckett-Lanie friendship in this episode. Actually liked Meredith too, she's amusing. Hahaha
Mine, too!!! (even moreso b/c she called the loft 'home', AND Castle didn't want her to leave @ the end, AND b/c she said he could come stay at her place! I love how comfortable they are practically living together.)
SPOILER ALERT for those who haven't seen the episode yet.
A wonderful episode. On reflection it was probably better that Kate didn't learn the true reason why Rick's marriage to Meredith ended in divorce from Meredith herself. That is something that Rick needs to reveal for not only Kate's benefit but his as well. I'm sure there will be a few doubts from some fans following on from that ending but in the end it is just like the things Sophia Turner said about Rick to Kate in last year's two-parter. Of course Meredith is manipulative in a completely different way than Sophia was, but I'm sure in good time Kate will realize that Rick is a different man now from the man who was married to Meredith.
I agree with the post above that this is one of the best episodes yet. Another example of the growing pains of their relationship (let's face it...none of them would worry as much if the relationship didn't mean a lot to them). Meredith was a nice addition...especially when she and Kate ganged up on Castle an LOL moment. That being said, I think that if Meredith laid all of Kate's fears to rest and tied everything up neatly, it would've seemed far-fetched and disingenuous. Too much character development at once (if that makes sense)...maybe she came this far let's not hope for too much more now! I remember reading somewhere that Marlowe and Co. said that now B&C were together, the *real* story-telling could begin. Really, a well done episode.
oh my. when I first saw some of the comments about this episode it made me soo nervous! But it ended up being an AMAZING EPISODE. A mix of funny and much more serious at the end. I don't understand how people think this is like what happened with Sophia. From what we know from how Kate talked about the dinner Kate didn't find anything bad about Castle . I think their relationship grew this episode. At the end I think Kates sad face was a little about her insecurities but more about wondering who Castle is...deeper things about him. noticed how in the end he was his normal Mr. Sunshine Castle but Kate had that look of wonder on her face. There have been other issues that have been brought up in different episodes this season but they all have been concluded. This episode not so much.... I knew there would come a time when there would be something underlying this season that wouldn't go totally solved. Not gonna lie the end made me cry and I cannot even explain why lol. I am totally completely in love with this show! I trust Marlowe with the storytelling even if it scares the hell of me at time! i just PRAY that Caskett isn't the blind item which breaks up and when I think about it more I really don't think it will be them...or that could just be myself trying to make me feel better lol! A great episode tonight... happy, funny, nerve wracking, and a little heartbreaking . - Brittany
Agree in all of the above comments, great episode! But the best surprise of all, was SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Da Kiss! Gone to watch it over again, and again.. it was about time..thanks Marlowe. :)
I almost quit watching when Kate made the snarky comment about Meredith belongs in a hotel and then later when castle says that felt cold hearted, and she came back with the but its ok for me too be sent to one. For the love of G*D He said a room for them! That right there made me walk out of them room about to cry. Can the writers be any more degrading to women and becketts character? Lets make her a b*tch, whiny and all stereotypical drama queen. She is a great role model for girls to look up to then they pull that crap. I am watching going it gets better but that really upset me
@8:35, I Don,t understand what u r mad about. This was a great episode and seeing sassy Beckett come back is really refreshing. However strong woman I might be, I wouldn't want my husband's ex stay wit us. There is nothing wrong in Beckett being mad
How is that sassy? There is a HUGE difference between sassy and B*tchy, that was exteremely rude and just stupid writing. And is it not fair for Alexis to have her mother there? What if Alexis wanted her around? It's not okay for a child want a parent around even for a bit? I know I would if my parents were divorced. If Kate needs to act this way then Castle deserves WAY better, and this is a girl in love with Beckett. I just don't appreciate a very childish remark from Kate like that when that is REALLY out of character to me.
I will give you that the hotel comment was a little much since he got the room for them, but I think Kate's feelings in this episode were justified. Everyone, but Castle seemed to recognize that he should have said no to Meredith. Instead, it sounds like he put Kate on the spot in front of everyone. When he went home to take care of it, he let Meredith totally play him. His great idea to fix what he caused was to take her to a hotel where he clearly planned to try to get lucky.
Kate wanted him to put her feelings over Meredith's and he did not. I would have actually been more annoyed if they had her ok with what he did or her running off to the hotel with him like she is just lucky to have him no matter what.
@9:15 Meredith has never been a mother to Alexis. Meredith is Castles's EX-WIFE and does not have the right to just waltz in like that. Hell, where was she for Alexis graduation? No, she pops in and out when it suits her.
@Anon 9:15. I'm sorry, but my parents are divorced and I would NEVER expect them to stay at each others' house for any reason, even if I were dying. Visit, maybe, but stay over when there are hotels? Come and go as they please? Sleep there? Walk around in underwear? No way. I realize that there are some people who divorce amicably, as Rick and Meredith did, but 1. it's not even like Alexis wanted her mom around that much (it seemed like she tolerated it but was very happy to see Meredith leave at the end and was surprised in the beginning) 2. there are hotels for a reason. 3. Kate has every right to be mad about it.
I completely agree. Meredith had no right to come in and act like she owned the loft. Kate was definetely justified for being so upset. It shouldn't even have crossed Rick's mind to let Meredith stay.
@anon 9:15, have you been paying attention since season 1? Alexis does not want her crazy mother to stay/live with her and her dad. By the end of both this episode and the one Meredith last appeared in, she was relieved. In fact, she even insisted that Meredith go on to france ASAP.
I think it was because she realizes he knows all about her and she knows so little about him. After knowing each other for four years she does not know why his marriages failed. I remember an episode in season 2 where she was asking him where his fascination with murder came from and he avoided the question, much like Meredith described he did when she tried to discuss his father. Meanwhile, he knows everything about her.
You know a joke? Remember the amazing kiss in always? Well that is stupid question. Ofcourse we do. Remember how castle hesitated to kiss her back... at that time he is trying to understand the subtext.... which we find alot in this show. Even I didn't understand why she was thinking at the end of today's episode.... but I think it is the second reason.
Anon 8:36... Both i think but more about how she really doesn't know a lot about Castle. I don't really see how she would worry TOO much about their relationship deflating because that has sorta been discussed some in other episodes. I hope this opens the door to find out more about Castle. ~ Brittany
I feel like I was punched in the gut at the end, but I have to trust that so far AM has done a kick A job with this whole story line. I've been hooked since the beginning.....let's face it, even if they split, in which case I would go into a LITERAL depression, I'll still be compelled to watch because Beckett is hella hot.....and makes me drool.....and I'm a happily married straight woman....with kids. That is all.
A good episode, as always. My personal favourites were the kiss (and the embrace beforehand), Beckett acknowledging that for the past 4 years she has been giving him a lustful look, Beckett offering him her place as a sanctionary if things get too bad, Beckett calling Castle "Rick" twice, which we have only seen her say where they are arguing or bad things are happening, Ryan and Esposito taking that suspect down (did you see Espo's kick and Ryan's tackle?), the fact that now Beckett is going to ask more quetions about his past because she actually wants her relationship with him to stay 'poofy', Ryan and Esposito giving advice to Castle (although they have no experience dealing with an ex-wife and girlfriend) and Lanie speaking her mind to Beckett about fighting back to claim her territory.
I am a bit disappointed that Kate did not find out that it was not Castle's fault that his first marriage ended. I would have liked her to know that Meredith cheated on Castle, because that would definitly boost her confidence that he is not a playboy. But other than than, I can't complain. There were too many good things in this episode to disappoint me.
I really enjoyed this episode. It definitely made me reflect on the fact that Castle does dodge the personal questions frequently. We have learnt a lot about Beckett over the years, but have a very limited view of Castle. I liked Ryan's jabs at Espo about his relationship phobias and the whole group dynamic. I've missed the Lanie, Ryan and Espo moments, I was entertained and I am excited about where they can go from here. Well done Castle writers, actors and producers!
Agreed. All that comes to mind for me re: Castle's past, at least that he has shared with Beckett, is from 3x15 (the Final Nail) when he tells her about being shy @ school & Damien taking him under his wing & encouraging his writing. It was really nice to see him sharing, though somewhat reluctantly, and, likewise, to see Beckett's response to that.
Castle does seem to like to keep things lighthearted and somewhat on the surface; I very much look forward to seeing Beckett dig around what really makes him tick. From the pilot, Castle used his writer's skills to read into Beckett's character; it's about time Beckett used her detective skills to uncover more of his!
Why do people assume that because Meredith cheated, Castle did not have any fault in the marriage ending. Not that I am defending her cheating, but based on what she described, it seems that she felt the relationship was kinda onsided and she had a hard time continuing to deal with it.
Anyway, I think this is how the are going to open things up to give some Castle back story
Anon 9:07- I never assumed Castle was faultless in the ending of his marriage to Meredith. It takes two to tango. But Meredith has shown to be all about herself and nothing else.
Meredith showing up to care for Alexis in the episode was just an excuse to see how serious things were between Castle and Beckett. She even admitted to that ulterior motive. She didn't show up for Alexis' graduation but she shows up to take care of her? I'm not saying she doesn't love Alexis, but when she made that comment about how all Alexis did was sleep and how Alexis is boring, to me it seemed like she wasn't particularly interested in being there solely for the reason she gave when walking through the door.
In season one, Meredith took Alexis out of school to go shopping because she wanted mother/daughter time even though Alexis had a test and didn't want to. She also wanted to move back to NY because there were no roles in LA. Being near Castle and Alexis was just a happy byproduct of wanting more career-wise. She and Alexis showing up at the precinct was her way of scoping out Castle's new muse and marking her territory, thinking she'd be moving back to NY. Castle saying Meredith cheated on him with her director proves she's all about herself and what she wants. I don't know if Castle opening up more to her would've changed anything, but I always got the impression that with how selfish Meredith is, it wouldn't have mattered. Maybe she wouldn't have cheated but at some point she probably would have left for her career. When Meredith spoke with Kate, to me, it seemed like she put the blame on Castle for their marriage ending. He wasn't enough and that wasn't ok with her, so adios. The relationship went a certain direction and that's not what she wanted and she always gets what she wants. I'm not saying she's solely at fault. Or that when things aren't perfect people don't look for something better. I just think the reason Meredith gave was her justification of why it ended and not the whole story. But Meredith won't admit she's anything but perfect unless it's to get what she wants (like telling Castle she hasn't been the best mother as a way to manipulate him into letting her stay at the loft). I got the impression that Castle was more invested in being a good father to Alexis than catering to Meredith about her career. Meredith is barely there now. With Castle being the father he is and loving being a father, I wouldn't be surprised that he payed more attention to Alexis than Meredith since Meredith isn't interested or particularly good at being a mother.
Castle isn't blameless. He is a mystery, as some people have already said. But the guy was coming off of losing Kyra (the one the got away) and maybe he was guarded, trying to protect himself. After Meredith, there was Gina. I'm speculating since it was never brought up to my knowledge, but I think it's possible he became more guarded after Meredith which might have played a role in the end of his marriage to Gina. But like Meredith said, who he was 15 years ago isn't who he is now. From season one until now, you can see how much he's changed and grown. Kate is different than his exes. He's more committed. And yes, I think this is a great set up for learning more about Castle in future episodes. In my opinion, it's needed. He's not blameless but there is clearly more the story.
I'm with you, 9:07. Remember Gina also complained that Castle never really let her in; he kept her separate from his relationship with Alexis. Perhaps Meredith was never really cut out for marriage (or motherhood), but I don't imagine that could've been so much of a surprise to Castle, seeing as how little she's changed.
I didn't like the ending. It just left me having so many questions that need to be answered. It's a big tease to make you question their relationship. But I still blieve it's all about them telling Ricks story and thus strengthing their relationship.
I loved the episode but I have to admitt that now I am sure they are the blind item.The Episodes are always foreshadowing and Shonda Rhimes confirmed at twitter that non of the Grey's couples are the blind item.
I didn't really liked the episode (I am tired of Castle being always the one we made fun of) I didn't like that Beckett didn't take a step back sooner and tried to understand Castle in this situation. That lead to the ending that I loved. That Meredith said was true. And I think It was what lead her to cheat on him. Castle is still that way. However, where Meredith quit on Castle, I am sure that Beckett will only work harder and harder to have him trust her with his deepest pains and secrets. I think that ep shows us that where Castle always tried to understand, Beckett always judge then maybe if she feels like it, she will try to ask herself "why did he do such things" and try to think of another answers than "Well he's an idiot". For instance, I don't think it's rocket science to guess that Meredith, for all her fault, is still Alexis' mom. That if, for Once, she want to take her of her daughter, Castle would have a very hard time to denied that to his kid even if he knows, in this context, he should have said no to Meredith. Meredith played the "Alexis' Card". If you know Castle at all, you know that it's the way to manipulate him. It doesn't seem that even cross Kate's mind in one moment. It just "You let your ex-wife in your home, your the bad guy, I don't care about anything else". Thus the ending could be revealing to her. I believe she finally undestand that she only knows him in a shallow way. Now she asked to herself why ? On one hand, I agree Castle isn't much a sharer. On the other hand, Beckett never really worked on that yet. Not the way Castle did. To pick the same example as Meredith about his father. The first time we heard of it, Kate never asked him something about it. Worst than this, she even shared the information with a rather sarcastic "Castle is famously fatherless". Not really a good way to have someone share his feeling about this. The second time, she's a little more sensitive about the topic, but again she brushed it off. Castle were clearly agitated about it. She conforted him with "Sofia tells a lot of lies", but don't follow up with any question about it. Not the way to have someone trust you and share with you something, morse of that person isn't someone who share easily. As I said earlier, Kate is a fighter. She loves him and want a good relationship with him. I am sure she will work to change that. I am also glad that the writers acknowledge that their relationship is a little one-sided and they show us that they planned to change that. Maybe not right away, but I think that was their way to tell us it will change. DLM
Beckett gives Castle a bit of a hard time, that's true (she admittedly enjoys torturing him!), but it's not like she didn't try to understand his situation. She did mention his Catch-22 when talking to Lanie, and she admitted later on that Meredith is hard to say 'no' to. I think you're right in that she wants to work to make this relationship last, hence her question to Meredith about what went wrong. She's gathering & processing evidence, in a way. I don't imagine she's worried that her relationship with Castle is very similar to those of his with his exes, but I'm sure she wants to get it right, and different perspectives, well-intentioned or otherwise, can be eye-opening. I'm continuing to enjoy & look forward to every episode!
Don't quite know how you can say that it did not cross Kate's mind that Castle did what he did for Alexis, since she basically said that to Lanie. That does not mean she had to be ok with it.
Your post seems to act as though Kate has never tried to get to know Castle, but I can remember at least one time she was trying to understand something about him and he initially would not answer her questions and then made up a story.
Besides, some of Castle's inital getting to know Beckett was for his book and was actually intrusive. Like looking into her mother's case without permission.
Meredith clearly has issues with Castle not sharing, so maybe the problem is more his, than Beckett not being sensitive or pushing enough.
Wow. Don't you get character progression and building a backstory and building a plot.
Sometimes a writer plants seeds throughout a story as they build up to the plot and a resolution. On tv this has to play out over a 22-24 episode season.
Everything can't be covered in one episode.
Beckett in S2 didn't trust and care for Castle as much as she does now and she was concerned about Castle when Sophia told him about his father and why make him suffer by giving him false hope or place doubt in him without knowing the truth. She comforted him by lessening his concerns without evidence.
When you think so negative about the writer and his characters it blinds you and makes you biased about the story being told.
It's like when I come to this board there's so much negativity after every single episode and I see a ton of growth and good things developing before my eyes, but all people do here is bitch and complain and not see how far these two have come and how far they still have to go. Everything can't be discussed in one episode and only roses and rainbows are shown. Sometimes conflict is created to build character, not to.destroy and I still see two characters who are still able to give us the spice of the early seasons and show the love that has grown between them. The humor in tonight's episode was to make us.laugh, but at the same time showed how BOTH stayed by the other's side and no one lashed out to hurt and destroy the other. There was a lot of affection in snarky remarks from Beckett with a playful edge ontop of it also being serious. Beckett didn't leave. She stayed. She even bonded with his ex. Castle is usually picked on by Ryan and Espo when it comes to him and Beckett. It's THEIR THING! It's not about Castle.always being made fun of in a bad way, but it's their way.of showing affection for him and Beckett will always be snarky and playful and yes she can get mad, too, but it's IN CHARACTER.
I don't know what some fans are watching and what they think the characters should be, but Marlowe usually nails them all perfectly all the while continuing to evolve the characters and the relationship.
You can't tell me Beckett in episode 2 would've stayed in the apartment with Castle and Meredith. She wasn't being insecure, but upset that her man's ex was living with him... oops... WITH THEM, as she put it at their HOME as she also called Castle's loft and some of you don't see that as growth and evolving the characters? Wow.
This was meant to be lighthearted amd build a backstory for Castle and progress the relationship. I saw it. I laughed. And still look forward to more. We got a kiss also and great banter with Caskett, Ryan/Espo/Castle, Lanie/Beckett, Martha/Castle, Martha/Alexis trying to get rid of Meredith reminiscant of Always Buy Retail, Meredith/Beckett, and a pretty good case, too.
Some fans are never satisfied. Geez. Just turn the channel if you're that phucking miserable.
I didn't say that. Just only said that, As much fun it can be, I am tired that they played the "poor little Castle is ribbed by the other". I am not stupid,I undestood that it their way to bond. Could we move along please and not have that every three of four episodes, please ? Also, I wasn't negative, since I said that I am sure that Beckett will work on the trust and getting to know Castle better. That I was glad because she grewth from past season when she disregarded Castle's feelings and never really tried to understand him or his point of view. Last, but not least, I never mention Beckett was insecure. Just giving a hard time without trying to hear him out. She said it herself "you're the bad guy, I don't want to hear it". No surprise that she knows him so little in the end.How could someone trust you with his past and pains if you rib him a new one everytime he make a mistake, without even trying to understand his reasoning ? The end of the episode show us it will change a little, and that it's a good think.
Also, It is IN Character, as I tried to show it. And Even if I like Beckett, I don't have to like every single angle of her character. Her tendancy to judge without trying to find out the Whys, is something I don't usually like in a person. It's something I consider a flaw, and that annoys me. I am someone who prefer to think about the issue, try to understand the other, then get mad if they're really no good reasons (or excuses some could say). Kate, it's the contrary. I don't like it on anyone, nor any characters on TV. I agree whole hearteadly that that kind of flows it's a great thing if you talk about characters writing It proves that writers knows that they're doing. However, while I watch an episode, I think of them as people not as characters. Thus their flaws can annoys me. This one does. Plus I think that flaw won't really help in the relationship and she has to work on it too. They're giving a realistic feel to the relationship, and for that, I am glad. But realistic means they end up hurting each other, it's a given. They'd have to forgive, a lot of little things if they want to last. One of the key to forgive and to understand why someone did a mistake. That's Castle department. Beckett is more about the fact. You did that, it was wrong, it deserved punishment. No excuses. She said it herself. I think after this episode she will see that she need to understand the whys, the motives. She's a detective, she works like one. She has the facts, the hows, and usually, the motives are afterthought for her. It's nice to know, but she tought she didn't need it. She is starting to change that, as it was shown on the episode. Even if by the middle of the episode she tried to understand better, and stand by him a little, I still think it took longer than I'd like.
Re: "Her tendancy to judge without trying to find out the Whys, is something I don't usually like in a person."
Beckett is very interested in the whys - from a cop perspective, that's motive. Yes, she starts with the facts, but motive is certainly not an afterthought. Since the pilot, she's been shown to be a detective who keeps digging to find the truth. Think back to A Chill Runs Through Her Veins; Beckett was angry about cops who don't bother really investigating, fleshing out all those tiny details that don't quite fit. One reason she and Castle are such a good team is because they are both sincerely interested in finding the things that make everything make sense.
With respect to Castle, if there's anything Beckett disregards, it's his crazy theories, but it is certainly not his feelings. Watch episodes where she is privy to his trials & tribulations with Alexis, with Kira, with Damien. He reminds her of her grandfather; she's asked about stories from his past. Beckett is interested in Castle, feelings and all, and while her character is developing nicely, that's not a new thing.
Just finished watching this eppy again and u know what made me laugh.......at the very end When he says to Kate, "I'm gonna make u breakfast before u leave." He then walks toward the kitchen and he says ,"I think I'll whip u up a smorelett. Bahahaah! Anyone remember the "SMORELETT". lmao POOR Kate!!!!
Yet again some fans aren't seeing the big picture. That ending confirmed for me that Marlowe.is not only laying groundwork for Castle's backstory, but also laying the groundwork as he has all season for Beckett to discover the mystery that Castle is to her. I saw her look at the end as a woman hurting for boyfriend and how he hasn't broken down his wall completely like she wasn't dealing with her past. I think Kate's going to be his rock when his past comes back up very much like he has for her.
Kate's in this relationship to win it like Castle is and we bad tremendous growth from Kate by staying with him and not allowing Meredith's presence to come between them. I didn't so much as see her being totally insecure in this.episode because she said she trusted him, but was giving him a hard time about Meredith in an affectionate way and not in the way where she walks out, shuts him out, and is deeply hurt by something Castle did. She stayed by his side and made sure she "pulled his pigtails" like he does with her once she realized Meredith was sticking around. She even met with Meredith and bonded.
Meredith didn't have to tell Beckett she cheated on Castle. What she said implicated that they pulled apart in their marriage and he went one way and she went another when he wouldn't let her get close to him. She placed blame on herself and on Castle and some marriages do end because people give upon the relationship and turn to other vices instead of each other for comfort. Sometimes those vices is another person besides your spouse. No need for Meredith to spell it out.
Marlowe is setting it up so the same thing doesn't happen to Castle and Beckett and for that to happen she needs to get to know Castle as much as he's tried to get to know her and she is voicing her feelings this season instead of hiding them. So what some see as conflict and insecurities, I see as a stepping stone to strengthen their relationship and themselves to be better for each other. Love this show and Caskett! Great episode! Beckett was able to break through her worry and concern for Castle and shine a loving and appreciative smile at the end as he prepared a meal for her. He's always taking care of her, now it's her time to do some heavy lifting in the relationship and be his rock like he's been for her through her struggles. What makes Castle vulnerable? What's in his past that he can't share with others? With her? He opened her up and now it's her turn.
Thank you Anon 10.30 PM for one of the best comments I've ever seen! Good to know there are still people out there willing to look at the bigger picture unfolding and not becoming so focused on the relationship that nothing else matters!
Absolutely! I think her look could be that she realizes she also can't do a brochure on him and I think she's a bit surprised by that. Good thing she's a detective. She also doesn't give up and jump to someone new.
This episode was one of my favorites this season. The case was good, it was hilarious in parts, and it had an ending that makes you think. I don't think the ending spells trouble in any way for Caskett. I think it just shows that Kate and Rick still have a ways to go in their relationship, plus it opened the door to exploring Castle's father again. I loved Ryan and Espo especially- they were at their comic best when they talked to Castle about his worlds colliding. And of course, I just love to hate Meredith! I thought it was a brilliant episode and a great way to kick off the new year!
Also wanted 2 add that I also believe that Kates distracted look at the end was more about her wondering about Castles past. Remember how upset she was at the precinct after her first encounter with Meredith. Kate responded to Castle by saying ,"upset?.why would I be upset ?"she goes on to mention things about his past life with Meredith and how she knows how he likes his coffee ect.She was maybe starting to realize at that point how little she knows about him and his past .
Wow, i feel like i'm saying this every week (or so) but i really loved this episode, and especially the beautiful ending. Beautiful enough to bring me some tears. It came as a big surprise after a lighthearted and really funny episode. ("You're not the man that i thought i knew", See ? There was nothing to worry about. It was just hilarious). That last scene just stood out for me, through the episode and the season. I think it's gonna be a scene to remember. A "significant" turning point that no one expected (or expected this season). There are many ways to understand the scene. To me it's the moment Beckett realize that she loves him. Not that she's crazy about him or find him adorable. She LOVES him. She loves that man, righ in front of her. That wonderful man that loves her so much he went through hell to help her bring down her walls, and insecurities, that man that has always been here for her, with his gorgeous smile and his sense of humor and his compassion, that man that she loves so much has walls and wounds of his own. She's supposed to be a tough detective but she never noticed this. She's not concerned for them as a couple anymore, she trusts him with her heart, but she's concerned about him. He is now the mystery in the relationship. Where does his fascination for the macabre comes from? Who is his father?… And it's her turn to solve it and save him, like he saved her. It feels like a new dimension to the show. Now we're gonna learn about the main character backstory. The real one. There is so much more to say about Significant Others (the cute kiss, Ryan and Espo, Lanie's fiercy comments, "Button Up Kitten") but i'm still too high about the end to really comment anything else. I'm just gonna say again how much i love Marlowe, the writers, Stana & Nathan, all the cast, all the crew and i must add the brilliant Robert Duncan, for making such an incredible episode. Thank You.
We also got to see Castle share with Beckett some of Castle's background when his friend Damien (whom Castle knew when he was at boarding school) was cuffed for plotting his father's murder. This episode was in S3. Castle told Beckett that without Damien supporting him, he never would have become a writer. So, there is so much more for Beckett to find out about Castle which of course she will because she's a cop.
P.S. Castle is not the blind item. Beckett would never be able to find out his background in time for the ending of the show. It took 4 yrs. for Castle to know as much as he knows about Beckett and I doubt that Castle would stick around for Beckett to learn about him after their breakup.
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Not only did it have the comedy side it had the romantic and the murder side. I enjoyed the whole thing from beginning to end.
First to comment on Kate's look at the end to Rick. I don't really think it was really as much worry as it is she just wants to know his heart. She wants to know him in and out, know his secrets and what means the most to him. She wants to peel the layers and find out what it is about him that makes him a writer. Since they both lost one of their parents they can really connect emotionally. And I think once they dive further into his fathers life she will stand by him and truly show how she feels and be his anchor. Despite her attitude about Merideth I could see in her eyes and face how in love she really is. And I love seeing it.
I thought castle was too cute in this episode. He was so busy making sure Kate was satisfied or trying to that he hurdled himself into every possible obstacle imaginable when it came to his ex. His reaction to the dinner, and to the inside joke between Merideth and Kate. To the whole booking a hotel. And I thought Beckett took the situation very well.
The boys are always good and funny. I like how they are castles wingman for when he does something he shouldn't. And their reactions are priceless.
The other thing I loved about it was how comfortable Kate is in his house. Even though their is a house full of women Kate has no problem showing castle any amount of affection.
Loved this episode and everything in it. Definitely my top 5. Now I just can't wait for the next one. And by the way Merideth is a character that I love to hate. I loved her don't care get what I want attitude. She played it extremely well. For someone who has only done 2 episodes so far she has made quite an impression.
The last Kate's look doesn't mean anything wrong about Caskett.. It just means that she's realizing that she's gonna have a hard work to do to get inside Castle's mind & heart & past.
BTW, she does want to know him deeply and that's a good twist for future.
Over the course of nearly four and a half seasons much of the back story has focussed on Kate Beckett and her mother's murder, despite the fact that Rick is the main character. We've also watched Rick help Kate break her own wall down over time, culminating in the two of them beginning an intimate relationship at the end of Season 4. We've seen the revealing of Senator William Bracken as the man who ordered Dick Coonan to murder Johanna Beckett and her colleagues, an indication that the slow burning furnace that is the Johanna Beckett murder conspiracy is going to be extinguished sooner rather than later. That case has been at the core of this show and it would seem that the mystery surrounding Rick's father's true identity will move into the place the Johanna Beckett murder holds once Senator Bracken has been brought to justice. This episode just aired also added some new building blocks intended to have Kate help Rick bring down his own wall like he did hers. The show's creators haven't touched on Rick's wall or his past much at all, given most of their focus has been on Kate's back story. Given what we've seen so far this season I'd be very surprised if Caskett are Michael Auseillo's "blind item", as this show is heading in the opposite direction to what Michael Auseillo appears to be suggesting. Looking forward to seeing how the rest of the season plays out!
This season's gonna(probably) see the end of Johanna's case and, maybe the 3XK's one. Now that Castle has always been there to help Beckett, we gonna see now the other side... How will Beckett get to help Castle about his past, his doubts and probably some people who were missing..
Anon 12.17 AM again. Thanks for your reply. I remember the Season 2 episode "A Rose Forever After". It was one of the only episodes I can think of where a question was asked by Kate about Rick's past. There was specifically a scene in an elevator where Kate refers to Kyra Blaine as being "real" in comparison to his ex-wives and that she didn't think Rick went for real women (well she knows that now lol). He was quickly dismissive of the conversation and it was very clear that he is haunted by what happened between him and Kyra (the fact that he was young and naive and let her slip through his fingers). The following scene after the elevator was pretty funny as Lanie tried to provoke a jealous response out of Kate at the morgue!
I am looking forward to seeing how they reveal more about Rick's past. It's pretty clear that Kate will stand by him as they begin to discover more and more about who his father really is. I understand that Andrew Marlowe is being extra cautious in regards to this story line as he wants to find a way to make it believable and memorable for the fans. I guess to some extent he wants to get all his ducks in a row before he dives into this story line, hence why we are beginning to see the building blocks emerging of a shift of focus away from Kate's past and towards Rick's. I think the Johanna Beckett murder conspiracy has been handled extremely well and it has played a huge role in getting the two characters together, but they are together now and eventually the show has to shift its focus away from the conspiracy and onto something else, which like I said in my last post will more than likely be discovering Rick's father's true identity.
I'm getting tired of seeing Kate with a worried look on her face, I realise there are various interpretations but I felt it just came over as her getting fed another insecurity and I don't think that Castle backstory is going to be explored in any great degree as some fans see to think.
Next week it will be back to normal as if nothing has happened and Kate won't ask Castle about a single thing.
She never found out he cheated on her either which I was really hoping for.
So yes there were funny moments and I did enjoy the episode except the ending sadly was not so good for me and I just wish they would stop creating more worries for Kate about Rick, this show has increasingly been more about Kate over the last two seasons IMO so if they do actually take time to have Kate make a real effort at getting to know him better then I'm all for it.
And they didn't show them having their girl talk so we don't know what happened there either really and I wanted to see that.
Also the kiss was nice but a bit dark again, would be nice to see more and for them not to get interrupted. Stana and Nathan have chemistry to burn so can we please see some more of it.
I don't believe the blind item is Castle in a million years, Andrew said he wouldn't split them up.
I noticed that fact when I watched the episode a second time. It was just slipped in quietly, and I thought that it was a very important fact - especially since it came from Alexis. Very significant.
First time I have ever posted. I wanted to point out to Anon 9:07 that in the season one: “Always Buy Retail” where we first Meredith, that from the beginning, Meredith has been “does what she wants when she wants type.” This was glaringly evident when she kidnaps Alexis from school for some “Alexi’s time” over Alexis objections. Again it is evident, when she shows up at the precinct to size up Beckett, Castle's new muse and her competition. She had to let Beckett know she was his original muse. Just like before, she waltzes into town disrupts everyone’s life and then waltzes out. Meredith is a pot stirrer and a bit of a narcissist. She admitted she came because Alexis told her it was serious with Beckett and Castle. So just like before she had to sew a seed of doubt, with Beckett. Narcissists always have to assert their superiority and that was her way. Again being a narcissist, she is going to see the marriage one-sided, of course. Also, she has to give Beckett that reason for the marriage's demise so to cast herself in the better light. She can’t let Beckett know she cheated with her director, while Castle is home taking care of Alexis.
What I find troubling is Beckett, being the intelligent woman she is, didn’t see through Meredith’s motives. Also, I find it troubling that Beckett is always the one with the “seeds of doubt” about the relationship, ready to give up once things get tough as in “Cloudy with a Chance of Murder and After Hours.” Let’s give Castle a little credit. He is the one that makes the heart felt speeches and the one to alleviate Beckett’s relationship doubts. Also, he is the only one to say “I love you.”
But the writers have to get his back story in some way, just wish it wasn’t at the relationship’s expense.
Oh but don't you see ? Beckett has every right to be the way she is because her mom is deeeeeead (insert tears and snifs here). And She had a hard time in her life ! Castle is a man, thus he's always wrong, because, as we all know, men are jerks. He doesn't have the right to make mistakes because he could have a hard past. Even if he had a hard past, he needs to man up and grow up ! Plus, Castle was a playboy. Nevermind that Beckett had more boyfriends than Castle had girlfriends in the course in the show, it's Castle we shouldn't trust because of his past. Finally, Castle has to be a psychic and knows why Beckett is the way she is, that she hide things, and what things, without Beckett having to talk. On the other hand, Beckett can't understandCastle, but it isn't her fault because he doesn't talk, even when he lives huge hints, become the worst actor on the planet when he says he's fine. Subtext was there all along the show to beckett to understand. I quote "I want to give Alexis everything I didn't have". That includs two parents that care about her. Meredith knew that and manipulate Castle with that in her little ploy to assert her superiority toward Beckett. Oh but, How Beckett could have understand that ? (I, for myself, don't think it's hard to find out) However, Castle has to understand everyone of Beckett insecurities and mistake with only one look from Beckett, or the way she drink her coffee or put her hair in the morning. Actually, I may be wrong. Hardcore Beckett fans are too in love with Beckett. They just thinks she's stupid and take Castle for a Supergenious. (Sorry for that outburst, but I again, on another board, read "Beckett is super cool and super right everytime, Castle is always the bad guys. If the show were really that way, so black and white instead of the beautiful nuance of grey it is, I would have quit a long time ago)
Loved the episode I think it was really fitting for where they are as a couple now. As I read most of the posts there seems to be alot of anger about what Meredith said to Beckett - I personally don't think she was saying it to cause conflict or have the upper hand but rather expressing that it wasn't enough for her to stay in the marrigae because Castle knew everything about her and she know nothing about him. She was trying to say that Castle never opened up to her, he never really showed himself and this may have been the cause for her infidelity - Castle just wasn't giving enough of himself to the marriage.
I don't think Kate's expression was about insecurities but rather in agreement with meredith about castle not opening up, she just realised well hang on a minute he really hasn't told me alot about his past - he's given her little bits here and there but never fully opened himself up and let her in.
Although Beckett and Castle have been working parnters for 4 years and by that stage you think that you know that person, when you jump into a intimate relationship you realise that wow actually I don't know anything about you - but that's the fun of a relationship - learning about each other. We all know about Becketts past because it's what drives her/ consumes her to be who she is ti pretty hard to miss. But just remember we thought Castle knew everything about Beckett yet he didnt know about her christmas tradition (working every year). Castle is still learning who the real Kate Beckett is as well.
So I believe this season we are going to see Beckett delve more into Castle's background and try to figure out who he is - make him open up to her.
It's pretty shocking that it's only dawning on Kate now after 4 years and 8 months of being together that she doesn't know much about Castle as she thought, why not? He is always wanting to know about her and take interest in her mom's case and issues.
Kate has been far too wrapped up in her problems and she doesn't spend enough time outside her own head IMO to worry about much else. I would like this episode to finally move things away from Kate and her worrying every other week and Rick needing to reassure her and during the latter half of the season concentrate more on Rick.
Because whose fault is it that she doesn't know much about Rick? She never asks him about his life or shows any real interest so I'm that surprised, she's way too self absorbed and that's not her fault exactly because suffering the traumas she has tends to make you want to protect yourself and look inwards - but it's not very appealing long term and if you're a partner of someone like that it can be tough.
Rick thankfully doesn't seem to mind her introspection but may be now things will be different as Meredith may have opened her eyes to the fact she doesn't know Rick as well as she thinks she does and SHE needs to make an effort not just him all the time.
I also didn't like it when she said she "liked him a bit more" when she got back from dinner, why didn't she say love? That was the perfect time for her to just slip in the love word IMO without making it a huge deal. I would be pretty upset afterwards if I was Rick thinking how serious is she about us? She still can't say ILY and I have to say it's starting to bug me.
I loved the episode! For me, the case was very good (maybe I´m not smart enough, but I didn´t figure the murderer or the final twists at all)... About the end, I think Kate´s look is more about realising that Castle has his walls too... AND she will have a hard work to get to them, because she won´t be like Meredith and give up on him (because he worths the fight)!
The ep was good as a piece of a larger season arc, but I won't say it's a favorite.
There was much I did like. Case was decent, all the characters save Gates were present and had stuff to do, the guests were great, was funny, had action, made me squirm at the predicaments, etc., looked great, sounded great, good pace. Just.
There were things I did not like so much:
Not keen that Meredith's infidelity was not mentioned. I wouldn't expect her to own up to something that deep to Kate, but it would have been nice to have had it acknowledged somehow.
The sweet souffle was a fun counterpoint to deep fried twinkie, but the non-mention of infidelity was a glaring omission from an ep centered around the collision of worlds.
Not keen that Beckett never asked Castle. Although I'm sure that was in part the point of that dramatic ending, her realization of all she's never bothered to ask.
Whatever else was learned from Meredith, all we got was "I think I like you a little bit more." Resounding growth of affection and respect that is.
Not keen that the writers treat Castle like a castrated kicked puppy when it suits, in order to prolong the scenario of an ep.
He's always been a goofball. But I loathe and detest when the show makes it seem like he has no balls at times. He's supposed to be charming with women, not trampled over by them. Complete to Beckett offering protection at the end of the ep. It's fun to be foibled. It's grating to be completely boxed in by a premise with nowhere to go.
It was an excruciating hour because there was no progress for Castle, the writers made Kitten stay in the doghouse the whole damned time while getting to change nothing of his circumstances because the plot demanded Meredith's ongoing presence.
Not keen that neither Castle nor Beckett solved their reactions to the circumstances. Meredith did. She presented problems, played mindgames with everyone, "smoothed" things over with dinner, and left when she was damned well good and ready and not a moment sooner. Beckett didn't battle her insecurities, Meredith invited her to dinner & soothed them. Castle didn't converse and change the course of things, Meredith guilted him.
Just. Again. Not enjoyable because the characters didn't actually DO anything. I get that the their growth from this point on is what's likely to feed a large part of the rest of the season, but even incremental baby steps from how the ep started woulda been appreciated.
I'm glad it seems like the show is positioning to reveal more of Castle, and while still continuing Beckett's journey of both self-realization and learning about Rick. That's overdue, IMO.
Personally I'd hope for some Castle material not dependent just on family, and more to do with work as a writer & investigator, but do recognize that would give little for Martha & Alexis to do.
I just hope that as the writers beef up Castle's characters, they don't completely neuter him. That's wearing as thin as Beckett's pathos filled angsty insecurity fade to blacks. Castle was a guy who "borrowed" a police horse, he was Captain America With A Taser who ultimately grew into the guy who has saved Beckett countless times, listened to her, supported her, while raising a daughter alone, made his own success, and engaged in a personal battle with a serial killer in 3XK.
He'll stand up for Alexis and punch Det. slaughter, he'll turn chuck norris on anyone threatening to hurt Beckett, but loses his gumption when it comes to standing up for himself and his new Very Serious relationship? I don't buy it. I don't enjoy it.
Please Marlowe, please. Keep Kitten away from the vet. Give him back at least part of his tom cat grit mixed with his felix the cat type traits. He can still be cute and warm and generous while having a bit more of a spine. Especially in his wheelhouse.
See I don't think he was trampled I think he got stuck in a no-win situation. Meredith was his WIFE, regardless of what she said at the end she knows enough about him to 'play' him. Husbands & wives know exactly how to manipulate each other and when he came home to tell her to go to hotel she knew what he was about to say and she manipulated him by using her own failings as a mother as guilt. There was nothing he could have said that wouldn't have made him feel like a monster depriving his daughter of an opportunity to have her mother around for once when she needed her.
I love the parallels that this show draws - did any notice that when Mer and Kate return from the dinner - Castle does something ( I could not catch the dialogue there tho) to which Kate replies - how come I have never noticed that? And the ending in a way takes a more serious tone when it dawns upon her that maybe she does not know much about the man in his life!
Castle clueless spinless child. Kate the most insure person on the planet.I want to go back to the good old days of seasons 1& 2.In fact i do go back and watch those seasons over and over again.What happened to the LOVE story. All we got is friend with benefits.The last four seasons were wtwt. This season your place or mine.
Is it now every other episode that Kare will have doubt about this relationship!!!! Cant they just go back to having fun and sex.... enough already....
Let me get something Beckett straight. If I really understood : - She wanted a gift from Castle for Christmas so she said "no gift". Then she get mad when she get what she asked for (or didn't get, here) - She didn't want Meredith there so she said it was all right if she stays at the loft. Then, gets mad because she's staying at the loft.
Girl, I love you, but if you don't speak out that you really want, or doesn't want, people won't simply guess. As you said, men are clueless. Swallow your pride for once and spell it out !
In my book, you want or doesn't want something, you say it. You don't wait for the others to magically guess what you really meant. If they do something that upset you, following exactly what you said, you are the one to blame !
Not saying Castle is blamless in this story. Far from it, no one should have to say to him that it wasn't alright. But what rub me wrong was "4 years and you still don't know the look !" I wanted to say "more than 4 years and you still don't know that Castle can't say no to...basically anyone"
I think it's funny how people that comment negatively about beckett's insecurites (she didn't seem insecure to me in the ep, just teasing her man) and castle supposed dumbness (for me he's just extra caring, although i would have loved to see him more manly here), and characters jumping to conclusion, are maybe the same people that get insecure and jump to conclusion everytime a promo or a SP let us think something bad happens and get insecure about the future of the show and marlowe's vision. Best example is "You're not the man that i tought i knew" . How many times have i read the craziest theories about whe she meant by that, even i spent countless time trying to figure it out... It's a show and a good one. but it cannot please everyone every episode. writers and characters are human, flawed and make mistakes and bad asumptions, just like us i really enjoyed this ep. the ending was truly a beautiful moment and one of my favorite scenes so far. and i liked caskett like this, so "domestic", i see their relationship grow every episode. It's never perfect and it shouldn't be. I don't wanna see perfect people doing perfect things, but interesting and loveable characters that go through life and reflects and inspire us
Ok so I only made it half way through the posts before I decided to respond (apologies if the has already been addressed). I'd like to address everyone's surprise that Meredith didn't tell Kate that she cheated on Castle. From what we've seen thus far of her character I would have been shocked had she admitted to that. She seems to be the type of woman who takes no responsibility for her actions, therefore I am sure in her mind it was a result of Castle's emotional distance that ended the marriage. And who knows, the may be ore to her than what's on the surface. Maybe his emotional distance is what drove her to infidelity....who knows?
Secondly, and this has been bugging me all season, castle's character isn't sitting right with me for some reason. Don't get me wrong, I am truly enjoying this season on the whole (especially Ryan and Esposito). I don't know, maybe I feel like he's being almost cavalier about his relationship with Beckett. I certainly don't expect rainbows and unicorns (that would get old very fast), but isn't this the woman he's waited for to "open her eyes and see that he's right here" for four years? I just feel like maybe there should be just a little more reverence shown towards the relationship from him. And there have been a couple of lovely moments where that has shown (in the premier when he's looking through the file cabinet and talking about grasping at straws), but on the whole it has been lacking.
I beg to disagree - just bcoz we have waited for someone long enough does not mean you become whipped.I am in a relationship where my partner has been waiting for 3 yrs before we got together but he did not become all taken after that.We just continued the way we are as normal person - and they are not teenagers! Castles love comes out when he tries to pacify Kate in each in every episode when she has doubts - that is more realistic and acceptable to me. Especially this episode showed how comfortable they are with each other.
I agree with you 8.05 AM I'm not quite getting Rick Castle either this season, yes I'm enjoying the relationship but I too feel there's a certain something lacking in the way he is treating the relationship and Kate. That passion and drive I saw in his FOUR YEARS! speech I don't see the same man who gave that speech in the way he acts around Kate now. He waited for years for this woman! I was expecting a little more from him, it's difficult to explain but I'm not really feeling the right vibe.
Kate I definitely feel the love she has now for Rick but him not so much, he's a little too casual for me in the way he is dealing with the relationship and her feelings.
So I'm late to the party but here are my thoughts...
First off, great episode. I was not sure how this one would turn out but it was done quite well. Now this may send shallow of me, but the first thing I want to comment on is Kate's hair and wardrobe...it was fantastic. Stana was just stunning in this one, well she is all the time but in this episode, she looked ridiculously gorgeous. I loved the mirror shot, that was beautiful, the lighting hitting on her hair and face highlighting her jawline, and her porceline skin, wow, that was just a really good shot. And her wardrobe was really nice, loved the outfit in the last scene.
Ok so now to the actual episode. Merits did what I expected her to do, and Ryan and Esposito little comments were too cute. Anyone else notice how incredibly handsome Ryan looked. He looked amazing in this episode. Some really funny scenes with castle trying to get back into Kate's good books. I was really happy Kate and Meredith bonded, I was hoping for this instead of some territorial fight, so I'm glad it happened. Loved Martha's attitude towards Meredith too...
I thought the end was interesting, I know the are split opinions on this. I think Kate had an AHA moment as in she never realized how little she actually knows about him. And maybe a tinge of worry as well. But I think they just put that in there to make room for Kate discovering more about him and them growing stronger. I don't think she will get scared and lead to them breaking up. I don't think they are ausiellos blind item, if they were, I'd be surprised and extremely disappointed. Marlowe is a very smart man, so I don't see him doing this.
But as much as I loved the episode, I must say I was dissapointed that Meredith's infidelity didn't come up. Or even any talk whatsoever about his past marriages. That is so important for Kate because she needs to known here she stand with him. I think they had a good opportunity to bring it up but wasted that.
I'm also getting a little bored with the writers making Kate jealous and insecure, but I was ok with this one because I figured if they are bringing inmeredith then for sure Kate and Rick will talk about his past, but they didnt. Im fine with These kinds of storylines as long as they Serve to move the relationship forward not backward. So I'm hoping that this isn't the beginning of the end as some seem to think and that by seasons end, they will break up, I hope this isn't planting more seeds of doubt and insecurities that will lead to nothing. My only hope is that Kate pushes him to be more open and asks questions about his Past and he let's her in however difficult it may be because he wants this relationship to last, so now it's his turn to let her in . As long as what Meredith told Kate in the end helps caskett move forward, I'm fine. Enough backtracking, enough wondering, enough doubts. Let's get it all out one by one and get caskett to a point where they know the good , the bad and the ugly, and still be helplessly in love.
Also , Stana and Nathan did a fantastic job with all their Facial expressions.
I agree that it was an Aha moment, with the little thing like the nutmeg and whatever they said (I couldn't understand) about what Castle does when he gets stressed. She really realized how little she knows about him and it's been all about her. I think it was a brilliant way to segway into the second half of the season. Ryan was handsome and those two boys were fun together. I thought there were so many great 'couple' moments already showing how comfortable Caskett is with each other. I know all of this is only moving them forward. Yes, Stana's last outfit looked totally great on her! I was okay with them not bringing up Meredith cheating, I think it will come up when appropriate. I was good with how it all went. I thought it all was brilliantly done actually. I am fine with the pace of the show. I do think some might think Castle gets rolled over, but, it's clear he is just a people pleaser always trying to make everyone happy..........a sensitive and caring guy and that's okay with me.
All these discussions about Castle's walls made me think why did he choose the name Castle for himself - has he ever told that to Beckett? Also come to think of it 'Castle'(as in architecture) does have thick walls meant to protect and preserve.
Anon 10.33 AM, remember that his birth name was Richard Alexander Rogers. He changed it to Richard Edgar Castle in honour of Edgar Allen Poe. Anon 9.02 AM, I think this was covered in the "He's Dead, She's Dead" episode in Season 3, after the daughter of the deceased psychic told Kate that someone named Alexander would become very important to her and that at some stage he may save her life. We got a cute smile out of Kate afterwards!
oh, i missed that ep. Thanks! Will check it out! Now that you say that, Martha's last name is Rogers I remember now........but, Alexis is Castle right? Interesting.........why did he choose Castle? Another fact to find out!!!
Alright I loved this episode from start to finish. There was some wonderful moment and some really funny moments. I enjoyed Kates reaction to going to dinner with Merideth. How she was saying it would make her look insecure if she didn't go. Not to mention she was also probably curious of the type of person Merideth is.
To me the look on Kates face at the end was her just wondering who Castle is. Who the writer is behind all of his books. And i think she will make it her mission to discover his heart and really get to know him more personally. She has already fallen in love with him. I do think though as she dives deeper into him she will fall even harder. It is now her turn to take down his inner wall and give her his heart as she has done with him. Castle has changed a lot.
Kate may not have gotten the answer she wanted from Merideth but Kate also knows has a lot more depth than Merideth does. Merideth is probably great for that one time fling years ago, but Kate knows Castle a lot more and she isn't just interested in the next top 10. She is interested in him and everything he is. I think Castle and Kate are perfect together. They are always challenging each other, and they will always have a spark.
Now I understand that all of you wanted kate to say "I love you a little bit more now" instead of "like", but I think the like was just perfect there. Neither of them have said the I love you to the other. Remember CAstle only said it because she was dying in his arms. Obviously you are going to say it. I am willing to see what is it going to take for her to say it. She may be waiting for him. Who knows. He isnt pressuring her so neither should we. I know they love each other, and I am completely happy with everything I am given in the show. I love it and can't get enough. I think if you stop wanting it and just enjoy the show most of you will be a lot happier.
Anyway I loved the episode and can't wait for the next episode. Just one more week.
Also, it seems Castle says his ILYs under great distress...not only with Beckett, but his mom too. Remember he said it to her during "Cops and Robbers" when they thought the robbers were going to finish them off and the original 3XK episode Martha thought it so odd Rick said I love you to her over the phone she called Beckett in a panic. So I know everyone is waiting for Beckett's ILY, but I'd also like to hear another one from Castle when NOT being threatened by a bullet! Actually, I'd just be happy with another "always"...THAT melts my heart like nothing else, cause it's THEIRS! :)
I mean that "always" is their (Castle and Beckett's) special word with each other...many fans, myself included, feel it's their way of saying ILY to each other without actually spelling it out. And it's "theirs" because no other character on the show uses it as consistently as they do with each other. Knockdown, Countdown, The Dead Pool, and Kill Shot all have that "always" exchange in them. It's sweet and heartfelt and very "Caskett".
I like Beckett's new view of Meredith, post-bonding, mostly because of some reassurances it must've given her regarding Castle & marriage. Remember in A Rose Forever After how she was impressed with Kyra, because she hadn't thought Castle went for real? She thought that based on his ex-wives, but having now a greater appreciation for Meredith as a person, I imagine Beckett is realizing that Castle may have been more discerning than she'd thought in choosing a wife. (Not that he didn't make a couple mistakes, anyway...) It must be comforting to think that one's partner was not as shallow as he/she presented him/herself. It will be fun to see Beckett peel back some of Castle's layers.
personally i love the ep and i can see the bigger pic heere in terms of that ending as well castle knows so much about beckett past and now she realises she knows next to nothing about his and thats what Marlowe i belive is setting up here. i cant wait to see where this goes
I think this episode was awesome! I am starting to think however that we as a fandom are taking the ILY from Kate to lightly. I am beginning to think that with the end of this episode being what it was, the rest of the season will hopefully bring Kate and Castle closer together through Kate discovering more and more about Castle. Then on the season finale, Kate dropping those three little words. I think Marlowe knows how hard it is for Kate's character to be so open and free with her emotions, and that now the tables will turn and it is Kate's turn to pry a little more into Castle's deep secrets. But I am definitely leaning towards Marlowe making the ILY the big season finale ender, or just a really big episode before that, I am still hoping for the Valentines day episode myself. Also I love how comfortable they are with each other, but I would like them to be a little bit more lovey towards each other in up coming episodes, a hug here, a sweet kiss there, just really see them be playful as a couple.
It took 5 years to peel back some of the layers of beckett. So now we have to spend another 5 years peeling back the layers of chastle Awsome cant wait.
May I ask why everyone thinks you will only get one more year out of the show? It still gets very good ratings for its time slot. Just keep watching so it can stay on air.
Aside from all the relationship drama - did you see that fancy new murder board at the precinct? Did Castle buy them a present - just like the one in his office.
Come on guys there will never be more seasons then just one more there a rumors for a while that they get a 6th season but only a short one.Nathan said in his interview it would be great when they get one more season and that blind item thing is really real.1.Ausiello mentioned hell hath no fury(a Castle book and ep)Ryan did it too in last nights episode.2.Ausiello mentioned a powerful shipper community being mad.3.Ausiello mentioned that the couple spend their last chridtmas together the only two shows who had christmaseps Castle and Parenthood.4.Am did say a few weeks ago he knows exactly where these two end up this season the same time Ausiello learned about the blind item.5.The picture from Kate and Rick in the article is exactly from last nights episode.6.The episode was so full of hints and foreshadowing that it hurts.I could count more if you want but I think it is enough so for me they are the blind item and they will break up in the seasonfinale .
I guess you're a basic guy and you're not smart and clever enough to get the subtexts.
Don't worry, you're not alone to have missed school when you were small instead of learning things that could have helped you to get what really happens with Castle Tv Show........
Fortunately, there's real fans (not mad fans) who understand that it's just a show that will last as long as actors will be ok to do it and as long as ratings will be good......
Maybe you are right that I don't get that whole subtext thing but I am a real fan and that's why I am worried because I don't want the show to get canceled and leave the fans witout a proper ending.I am fine when tha actors and the producers don't want to continue but I always thought this show is different from other WTWT shows that's why I am a fan when they break up they just like all the other shows. that would disappoint me
A real fan doesn't worry... ...A real fan just has fun and doesn't worry about some breakup because that's a TV Show!!!and I do love this Castle Tv Show!!!!!!
So what did that end mean...more insecurities. Well I can see what direction they are taking. I think this ep just proves that Caskett is the blind item.Im so done with this show. Have them together for a season and then break them up? Ausiellos hints are so caskett related, it has to be them. Im not sticking around to see how they break up. Of course every damn insecurity will come out then.
So ok!! You just have to get away from this show, you and your silly evidences!!
That end means that Kate is gonna work now to know and understand Castle a little better b/c Meredith just made her realize that she really knows very little from him.....his douts, his fears, his past, his childhood and so on... Four years with Kate's walls and now she's gonna try to get his layers down!!!
That's no insecurity, dude, that's what I call Hope!!!
Marlowe says they don't broke up...is no sense put them togheter after fours years and break up after six months...i think Castle has layers to peel...and marlowe says that for wedding or kids not now...too early...but in the end on the season...may be...i dont't know this one or another...but castle isn't the blind item ...i beleive in Marlowe
11:51 pm - Did you read the hundreds of other posts before you posted yours? It's clearly a brilliant segue of Kate reflected on her love and how she will get to know Castle better now for the rest of teh season...........
And for crying out loud - the finale is not even written yet people!!! Auselio has no clue - why would he when AM hasn't even figured it out yet? Do you guys not bother reading all the other posts??? It's a work in progress..........he sees how the characters develop as he goes. But, he will not break them up unless it's for a temp. dramatic effect to get them CLOSER. Am is a romantic..........
I dont think castle is the blind item simply because well if they break up for any reason they would just kill the show goodbye viewers I am also hearing they have a nother nikki heat book in the works as well. Remember marlowe mentioned marriage was gonna get talked about I am now wondering if they are gonna have that talk about how his marraiges failed just a thought
Read the Bihichky answers on twitter..Everybody is worried about Kate's face at the end. I'm not cause it will lead to great things right! Exactly. After this....i am sure that Castle isn't the blind item..
And can I just say I LOVED LOVED the scene b/w Castle Martha and then Mere-Kate.It was hilarious and just went to show how Castle is run over by the women in his life.So cute and adorable......Nathan rocked in that scene - AB also mentioned that in his tweet.And the honking noise from Kate was also awesome :D I love it when Kate pulls Castle's chains - brings back the memories of S1-3.
Another tweet from AB says that Castle is a story of a guy trough the story of the woman who wants 2 know the story of this man . Wall r involved. AFter this tweet i am positive...and now i think that Kate is ready to kniw better Castle and enter in his dark side of life...and also the castle' s wall comes down soon
Rick and Kate both have flaws. That's what makes their characters so endearing to the audience. Kate has relationship insecurities to be sure, but I think the expression on her face at the end may be more about self reflection than concern. Its true she knows little about Castle's past, but the look may be her sudden realization that she has never really bothered to ask. Up until now, everything has been about her. He knows so much about her, but she has never bothered to reciprocate. Aside from her inquiring about the origin of his fascination with the macbre in one episode, her interest in Castle's past has been limited to his relationships with other women. She may be now considering how shallow she has been in that regard. You will notice that Season 5 is really the first time you see Kate get Rick coffee. I think AM is gradually evolving and maturing these characters. Over the past 5 years, each of them seems to be picking up the best qualities of the other and strengthening their relationship in the process.
From a writer's point of view, opening up Rick's past gives them a whole new realm of story telling from which to develop new episodes. I think THAT is the main purpose of the end scene.
So, I'm so glad to see that this time, there's no heart attack, no suicide, no nervous breakdown and so on..... Fans are just becoming adults, now, except some "no limit" guys who still just see and imagine the worst!!!
Most of us have understood the "weird" Kate's look at the end: It doesn't mean "my God, I got the wrong man". It means "You are the good one and I'm gonna prove it!"
Do you guys read all the other posts before you posts yours - so much redundancy!!! The ending was a beautiful segue to the second half of the season tapping into now Castle's past. It was brilliant!
And for crying out loud - the finale is not even written yet people!!! Auselio has no clue - why would he when AM hasn't even figured it out yet? Do you guys not bother reading all the other posts??? It's a work in progress..........he sees how the characters develop as he goes. But, he will not break them up unless it's for a temp. dramatic effect to get them CLOSER. AM is a romantic..........
Hmmm, I noticed that too. Here's my take 1) (and this is just psycho-babble-bs, but hey) In Kate's mind "Rick" is the playboy author whereas "Castle" is her devoted partner. To her they're different, ya know? So maybe her reaction was kind of like "I am NOT just another one of Rick's long line of women". And 2) (and probably the most accurate) her response was "this is a conversation I soooo don't want to be having with his ex-wife".... Kind of awkward discussing your relationship with your boyfriend's ex-wife. :)
Anon 1:53 - I like that theory. It reminds me of that part in Walk the Line where June asks, "Where's my friend, John? 'Cause I don't like this guy, Cash!" (or something like that); she had different names for him describing different parts of his personality.
I wouldn't believe Michael Ausiello's "blind item" will be Caskett at this stage. Apparently one of his hints was that the fandom are big and would get very mad when it happens. That is why it would be very foolish of Andrew Marlowe to suddenly break these two up after all the work put in to get them together. Every time there's a bit of angst between the characters you always read people claiming that they're not going to watch the episode (or in more extreme cases claiming their abandoning the ship once and for all). If there is a break up it's pretty much a given that a lot of the fans that make these threats will actually carry them out and leave the show for good. There are many people in this fandom who are very protective of "their Caskett".
If a break up does occur then I can't imagine it will be a relationship ending break up but more of a temporary thing, maybe initiated by one of them to protect the other? All the noises I've heard from Andrew Marlowe have tended to point towards the fact that he sees this show as a great love story intertwined with the Police Procedural elements, and that there is so much material he can work with now that the two of them are a couple. I think he's savvy enough to know that the fans would revolt big time if he tore his two characters apart, so he more than likely won't cause too much trouble between them.
"Significant Others" seemed to be sowing the seeds to allow Kate to discover more about Rick's past than what she knows now. Over the course of nearly four and a half seasons we've seen Rick help guide Kate into breaking down her wall and coming out of her shell. Now it seems we will see Kate return the favour. The Johanna Beckett murder conspiracy has been at the core of this show and has been a major driving force into getting the two characters together. Now that they have reached that point the case can be put to rest sooner rather than later. Once Senator Bracken has been brought to justice I'd imagine that the mystery surrounding Rick's father's true identity will move into the place that the Johanna Beckett murder conspiracy currently holds. Then we should see a bit of a role reversal as Kate helps Rick open up more and more like he did for her. This has gotten me very excited and interested to see where this show goes from here. I read someone claiming that this show will only sustain another short season after this. Foolish rumour. I don't think the boffins at ABC would let go of this show that easily, not when there's so much more material that this show can offer.
I think Beckett is realising that she has been taking Castle a little bit for granted. Assuming that he always will be there like a good puppy. If he is a good boy, he gets his reward. If he's not, he gets chided and sent outside untill he behaves. I wonder if she'll want him around for much longer once she starts digging into his past. A bit like a puppy who has become too big and unmanageable, she might not want the responsability of keeping him.
I can 't wait ! Love this show, let's have fun again.
ReplyDeleteyay!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteLucky you - I wont see it till tomorrow (EU) but if i survived one month without it - lets do it 4 another day :P
ReplyDeleteHave fun watching the ep - since it was a long month :D
As sb statet: "Castle 4ever" :DDDDD
looking forward to see this 2nite. can't wait...omg!!!
ReplyDeleteCan't wait!!!!
ReplyDeleteWhen airs the episode, Europe time? Thanks!
ReplyDelete4am in France.
DeleteThe build up to this episode has been quite similar to "Cloudy With a Chance of Murder" and "Probable Cause", in that there have been many people assuming the worst case scenario, but ultimately being proven wrong. I think the same will happen here.
ReplyDeleteIn a round about way I think Meredith will actually help ease some of Kate's fears, especially if she owns up to Kate that she ruined her chance with Rick by cheating on him. I'm sure that if Kate learns this then she will look at Rick in a whole new light.
I get the feeling that this episode, the upcoming one (that has yet to be named as far as I know) featuring Senator Bracken and Dr. Burke, and the Valentine's Day episode have been designed to move this relationship to the next level. We'll have to wait and see if this is accurate or not but it's the feeling I have. I have heard about Michael Auseillo's "blind item" about a couple splitting up in the Season Finale that could be Caskett, but I believe that the Season Finale of Castle may have only just been written at this stage and it's too early to jump to any conclusions about it.
For now lets just enjoy the ride and have a good time watching the episode tonight!
I believe Auseillo's "blind item" was Michael and Fiona of Burn Notice. She walked away from him when she realized he had gone back to being a spy in the season finale. Also their 7th season has only half the episodes ordered. Expected ti be its final season.
DeleteI totally agree with everything you said 12:12~ adn I am making a wish that you are right:) and let's all just enjoy the ride and show. It's what I say over and over......it's all in the name of good times and fun - I can't wait!
ReplyDeleteI only will see at tomorrow, unfortunattly (im from Europe) :( Bt im sure, it will be nice this episode, just have faith, because this season will be awesome.. There's no moonlight curse, this show is better than ever. IMO this epsiode will rock in so many aways, at first, i belive meredith will drop kate's fears, by telling her what really happen for their marriage fail. Although, i belive she will try to put moves on him, maybe because she can't handle the fact that he is in a serious relationship, and for the fist time he is in love, and can resist to have occasional sex with her.
ReplyDeleteSo obviously it will be pissing her off. But im looking forward for today (although i have seen a lot of spoilers and sneak peeks, and im sorry for that, because now will lost the most fun). But the point is the next episodes that will hair, like valentines day and the 2 part episode, will be awesome, and we might get to hear that 3 words for kate, that we all are looking for since they kiss. I cant wait to see the reaction of gates when she founds out anyway , i think will be priceless and nothing we are expecting. (imo i guess she already knows). But will be fun to watch. Then for the end of the season i would like to see those 3 words, them breaking up and then get back, and kate (for some motive) wonder if she is pregnant, and dont know how to deal with, and how to talk to castle about it.
Sorry for my english, but is not my main.
Why do you thinks that Kate could be pregnant for the end of the season ? Personally , i thinks it's still too early .
DeleteYes, I thought of how it would be fun if she thought she was pg and how that would play out, but, if Ryan and Jenny have a baby, that will def. make them think........I thought of the only way to have awesome sex that they might show would be make up sex, so that would insue a fight, and the only way AM would have them break up if if they get back together right away!
ReplyDeleteI don't mind that I saw so many sp's b/c we have no idea how they are all pieced together and there will still be lots of fun stuff in there! I am super stoked for tonight and the fact that we have what 13 eps to go this season????!
Cannot wait for tonights episode!!
ReplyDeleteI sure hope the blind item isn't Caskett since Marlowe basically said they were in the relationship "in it to win it". I know its still to early to have many clues about the blind item but does anybody know if Aussielo had given any clues such as what TV network the breakup will be on? I don't think i could take a whole summer knowing they broke up!
~ Brittany
Re The blind item nope the network has not been mentioned as of yet unless i have missed something but i dont see caste hving just one more season now for tonights ep i cant wait should be good
DeleteAndrew Marlowe also once said that it would be unfair to pull the rug out from under the fans after they spent four seasons waiting for the two characters to get together. Michael Ausseilo's "blind item" would be a strange one because all the noises I've heard since before and after the two characters got together have pointed towards the show's creators wanting to tell the story with the two characters together in a relationship. The last two Season Finales have had the two characters entering "cooling off" periods after heated arguments, effectively semi "breaking up" before reconciling later on in the episodes. Perhaps this happens again? They have done it twice however and are not likely to do it again. It is expected that the Season Finale will involve Senator Bracken again, so maybe choices are made by one or both of them to protect each other? Who knows?!
DeleteTechnically Marlowe only said that it wouldn't be fair to split them up right away, as Moonlighting did the next episode (or 2) later. I still don't think the blind item is Castle because I don't see how they could break up and get back together without actually talking to each other, which would be out of character, IMHO. Right now, their non-talking but in a relationship is a delicate balance and a break-up at / towards the end of the season would tip it too much. I couldn't imagine either of them taking the other back if something like that happened.
DeleteAuseillo's "blind item" is Michael and Fiona of Burn Notice.
Deletehow does everyone know that Gates knows? and that Kate finds out she knows tonight?
ReplyDeleteI am so excited for this episode! Thank goodness that this hiatus is over.
ReplyDeleteI went and did some reasearching in the internet and Aussillo said it may be going into its last season. I know Nathan said he would like to see 7 sessions and know that the show went out really well yet other than his comment there had been been real indication from producers or soulless that next season would be the last ago that builds my faith a little but, that the blind item isn't Castle. Let's hope!
ReplyDelete~ Brittany
And my autocorrect sucks lol . I meant to say producers or spoilers
ReplyDelete~ Brittany
Castkett was the Blind Item last finale season - I doubt it's our turn again and there are SO many shows.
ReplyDeleteSo excited!! It's been such a long wait!!!
ReplyDeleteSometimes, I am just hit with the perfectness of this show... That Castle and Beckett are in love and I love them and its just so wonderful. Gahhh, I already know I'm gonna get all sorts of Casketty feels tonight!! :)
Ditto 3:35pm and I also love the love in this discussion post! Let's keep it happy!!!
ReplyDeleteCant believe how quick the last 4 weeks hve gone
ReplyDeletesay what? it has not gone quick for castle lovers and those jonesing for Castle!!! and Caskett........
ReplyDeleteOnly 5 min left !!!!!!! I love castle
ReplyDeletewhere are you? canada? post a link for us!!!!
ReplyDeleteYes im in canada on the west coast but im watching on tv not online and links are usually not available for another 2 hrs .....sorry.
ReplyDeleteloving kates sassy attitude toward castle lol it reminds me of the earlier seasons
west coast canada and it's on already? wow. okay, well, dont' tell us how it's goign!
ReplyDeletemy heart is a little broken. but great EP!
ReplyDeleteWhy is your heart broken???????
ReplyDeleteyeah, me too, but, it was a great lead in to KB finally going to go after more info. about RC.......you know that's why they did that........good, good ep!!!
ReplyDeleteI feel like an ending like that is only appropriate in a show that follows up on what's been said the next week. It was also a bit of a downer at the end of a show that was generally happy/funny, which just made it all seem a bit off. I mean, I love that the show is going into more serious territory with their relationship and Kate is now insecure about something that has nothing to do with other women, but because it was at the end like that I'm not all that confident that "insight" Meredith provided will be brought up between B&C. Weird. What do others think?
ReplyDeleteMe again. Not to be a downer on the ep. Loved it. Just wondering about that ending. I think it was also weird Meredith didn't drop in an "oh, that's what I was thinking and then I cheated on him" or something. Why is that still something that Kate doesn't know?
DeleteI think that the fact that meredith didn't mention the cheating was a hole in the writing, for realz. it happens. also, I think it's great that the ep was light and fun and the end got a little deeper and sadder. also, I think it was great that the writers started to shift the focus a little from beckett to castle. for a show called "Castle", it's been a while since we learned details about Rick or saw any development of his character other than being in love with kate.
DeleteHoly Crap! I think it was the best yet
ReplyDeleteI hope it pulls solid ratings. not only it deserves with, FINALLY, a murderer well thought among other things, but the show needs the ratings.
Deletei thought the murderer was super obvious from the beginning. maybe i'm just figuring 'castle' out better since i've been able to guess them all season (except for ep 4, but even then i should have)
Deletewell, better than in previous episodes where the team just went form suspect to suspect and, in the end, the murderer was a tenth person that didn't even appear in the episode, like the writers had to pull someone out of their asses.
Deleteyes i totally knowwhat you mean about the heart broken but it was beautiful
ReplyDeleteTo all the doubters and skeptics: Watch it! Great episode.
ReplyDeleteWhat happened??? Please tell us!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteMeredith just doesn't give the main reason why it didn't work with Rick. She doesn't say she cheated, that's why Kate looks sad at the end and that's why many many guys are gonna bother us for a week because they will now be afraid of a breakup!!....but there will be no breakup and next monday, everything will be fine!!!!
Deletenot next week, but maybe end of season, where all the insecurities pile up and finally blow in caskett's face? I know Marlowe promised he wouldn't break them up, but he has lied before.
DeleteI don't think they're going to break up but I do think this is going to be yet another thing Castle and Beckett never talk about again.
DeleteTechnically, Marlowe just promised that they wouldn't break up right away, as that's what moonlighting did (like the next ep or something). But still, I do think that the show wouldn't last through a break-up and I highly doubt the show will go there. If they broke up they'd actually have to talk to each other to get back together, which isn't in character, IMHO.
DeleteI'm really tired of the fact that every week there is a little fight between caskett, that kate has one gazillion insecurities regarding their relationship. seriously, it's getting old pretty fast, as well as the dark and interrupted kisses. kate knows rick loves her... I understand that she is damaged, but this is going too far.
DeleteI didn't really take it as a downer and adding to KB's insecurities but rather that she was saddened by this part of Castle that hasn't been shared. In a way, I thought there was even a look like KB will want to help him with the whole father thing.
DeleteCan anyone tell me what happened. Was their a kiss in the episode that they showed in the promo. Anything to look forward to. Anything??? Please.
ReplyDeleteyes, a caskett kiss, sweet and everything kinda long too, for the standards, but freaking dark as usual. (f*** you directors and light department and bowman and marlowe with this bs), as well as fun bickering... and a little possible heart twisting at the end.
DeleteTons to look forward to! A great ep! Trust me, you'll love it. Even people that are heartbroken over the end still (I'm betting) loved the ep.
DeleteIt was a great ep! Don't let the naysayers get you down. It rocks. I trust AM. Great setup. If you want to watch early - links are on the side. I watched early, but, now will go home and watch again live!!!!!
ReplyDeletewatch it live, the show needs the ratings
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ReplyDeleteF U Meredith at the end seriously and Im tired of Kates insecurities and dark kisses and just its Sophia all over again bla bla and then we have poor clueless Castle whoopie doooo as far as Im concerne not good ep at all !!! but there is a next week always
Sad to see that that's the way you interpreted the episode. I'm not intending to be mean or rude but you sound like one of those people who only care about the relationship and appear to overlook the bigger picture unfolding here. Take it from me, I would rather watch this relationship grow the way it is now than just have them happily blissful with nothing ever interfering with them, because the show would quickly run out of steam if that's all that happened. Despite what Meredith told Kate at the end of the episode, Kate is clearly smart enough to recognize that Rick is a completely different man from what Meredith sees him as. Don't be worried that Kate will take Meredith's words to heart and become even more insecure. Remember that Kate didn't let Sophia's words get to her and that was before Kate gave into her feelings for Rick.
DeleteFinally, a non-annoying comment. Thanks anon 701
Delete"Men are clueless."
ReplyDelete"Men? Or just... Castle?"
HAHA. Love the Beckett-Lanie friendship in this episode. Actually liked Meredith too, she's amusing. Hahaha
my favorite line : button up kitten, we're going home :)
ReplyDeleteMine, too!!! (even moreso b/c she called the loft 'home', AND Castle didn't want her to leave @ the end, AND b/c she said he could come stay at her place! I love how comfortable they are practically living together.)
DeleteSPOILER ALERT for those who haven't seen the episode yet.
ReplyDeleteA wonderful episode. On reflection it was probably better that Kate didn't learn the true reason why Rick's marriage to Meredith ended in divorce from Meredith herself. That is something that Rick needs to reveal for not only Kate's benefit but his as well. I'm sure there will be a few doubts from some fans following on from that ending but in the end it is just like the things Sophia Turner said about Rick to Kate in last year's two-parter. Of course Meredith is manipulative in a completely different way than Sophia was, but I'm sure in good time Kate will realize that Rick is a different man now from the man who was married to Meredith.
Can anyone tell me where I can watch the episode, please??
ReplyDeleteSPOILERS AHOY!
ReplyDeleteI agree with the post above that this is one of the best episodes yet. Another example of the growing pains of their relationship (let's face it...none of them would worry as much if the relationship didn't mean a lot to them). Meredith was a nice addition...especially when she and Kate ganged up on Castle an LOL moment. That being said, I think that if Meredith laid all of Kate's fears to rest and tied everything up neatly, it would've seemed far-fetched and disingenuous. Too much character development at once (if that makes sense)...maybe she came this far let's not hope for too much more now!
I remember reading somewhere that Marlowe and Co. said that now B&C were together, the *real* story-telling could begin.
Really, a well done episode.
oh my. when I first saw some of the comments about this episode it made me soo nervous! But it ended up being an AMAZING EPISODE. A mix of funny and much more serious at the end. I don't understand how people think this is like what happened with Sophia. From what we know from how Kate talked about the dinner Kate didn't find anything bad about Castle . I think their relationship grew this episode. At the end I think Kates sad face was a little about her insecurities but more about wondering who Castle is...deeper things about him. noticed how in the end he was his normal Mr. Sunshine Castle but Kate had that look of wonder on her face. There have been other issues that have been brought up in different episodes this season but they all have been concluded. This episode not so much.... I knew there would come a time when there would be something underlying this season that wouldn't go totally solved. Not gonna lie the end made me cry and I cannot even explain why lol. I am totally completely in love with this show! I trust Marlowe with the storytelling even if it scares the hell of me at time! i just PRAY that Caskett isn't the blind item which breaks up and when I think about it more I really don't think it will be them...or that could just be myself trying to make me feel better lol!
ReplyDeleteA great episode tonight... happy, funny, nerve wracking, and a little heartbreaking .
- Brittany
The best episode of this season!
ReplyDeleteAgree in all of the above comments, great episode! But the best surprise of all, was SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteDa Kiss! Gone to watch it over again, and again.. it was about time..thanks Marlowe. :)
I almost quit watching when Kate made the snarky comment about Meredith belongs in a hotel and then later when castle says that felt cold hearted, and she came back with the but its ok for me too be sent to one.
ReplyDeleteFor the love of G*D He said a room for them!
That right there made me walk out of them room about to cry.
Can the writers be any more degrading to women and becketts character?
Lets make her a b*tch, whiny and all stereotypical drama queen.
She is a great role model for girls to look up to then they pull that crap.
I am watching going it gets better but that really upset me
@8:35, I Don,t understand what u r mad about. This was a great episode and seeing sassy Beckett come back is really refreshing. However strong woman I might be, I wouldn't want my husband's ex stay wit us. There is nothing wrong in Beckett being mad
DeleteHow is that sassy? There is a HUGE difference between sassy and B*tchy, that was exteremely rude and just stupid writing. And is it not fair for Alexis to have her mother there? What if Alexis wanted her around? It's not okay for a child want a parent around even for a bit?
DeleteI know I would if my parents were divorced. If Kate needs to act this way then Castle deserves WAY better, and this is a girl in love with Beckett. I just don't appreciate a very childish remark from Kate like that when that is REALLY out of character to me.
I will give you that the hotel comment was a little much since he got the room for them, but I think Kate's feelings in this episode were justified. Everyone, but Castle seemed to recognize that he should have said no to Meredith. Instead, it sounds like he put Kate on the spot in front of everyone. When he went home to take care of it, he let Meredith totally play him. His great idea to fix what he caused was to take her to a hotel where he clearly planned to try to get lucky.
DeleteKate wanted him to put her feelings over Meredith's and he did not. I would have actually been more annoyed if they had her ok with what he did or her running off to the hotel with him like she is just lucky to have him no matter what.
@9:15 Meredith has never been a mother to Alexis. Meredith is Castles's EX-WIFE and does not have the right to just waltz in like that. Hell, where was she for Alexis graduation? No, she pops in and out when it suits her.
Delete@Anon 9:15. I'm sorry, but my parents are divorced and I would NEVER expect them to stay at each others' house for any reason, even if I were dying. Visit, maybe, but stay over when there are hotels? Come and go as they please? Sleep there? Walk around in underwear? No way. I realize that there are some people who divorce amicably, as Rick and Meredith did, but 1. it's not even like Alexis wanted her mom around that much (it seemed like she tolerated it but was very happy to see Meredith leave at the end and was surprised in the beginning) 2. there are hotels for a reason. 3. Kate has every right to be mad about it.
DeleteI completely agree. Meredith had no right to come in and act like she owned the loft. Kate was definetely justified for being so upset. It shouldn't even have crossed Rick's mind to let Meredith stay.
Delete@anon 9:15, have you been paying attention since season 1? Alexis does not want her crazy mother to stay/live with her and her dad. By the end of both this episode and the one Meredith last appeared in, she was relieved. In fact, she even insisted that Meredith go on to france ASAP.
DeleteOk answer me this...was the reason Beckett looked so upset in the final shot because she's thinking her relationship with Castle will deflate like a soufflé ( hence the comparisons to Sophia's comment about their passion ending once they slept together) or is it because it just hit her that there is so little she truly knows about Castle?
ReplyDeleteI think it was because she realizes he knows all about her and she knows so little about him. After knowing each other for four years she does not know why his marriages failed. I remember an episode in season 2 where she was asking him where his fascination with murder came from and he avoided the question, much like Meredith described he did when she tried to discuss his father. Meanwhile, he knows everything about her.
DeleteYou know a joke? Remember the amazing kiss in always? Well that is stupid question. Ofcourse we do. Remember how castle hesitated to kiss her back... at that time he is trying to understand the subtext.... which we find alot in this show. Even I didn't understand why she was thinking at the end of today's episode.... but I think it is the second reason.
DeleteHE'S MAKING HER A SMORLETT!
ReplyDeleteDo you think that she would eat it? I think that if Richard Castle/Nathan Fillion made me any food I would eat it. Or him. Either one.
DeleteAnon 8:36... Both i think but more about how she really doesn't know a lot about Castle. I don't really see how she would worry TOO much about their relationship deflating because that has sorta been discussed some in other episodes. I hope this opens the door to find out more about Castle.
ReplyDelete~ Brittany
I feel like I was punched in the gut at the end, but I have to trust that so far AM has done a kick A job with this whole story line. I've been hooked since the beginning.....let's face it, even if they split, in which case I would go into a LITERAL depression, I'll still be compelled to watch because Beckett is hella hot.....and makes me drool.....and I'm a happily married straight woman....with kids. That is all.
ReplyDeleteA good episode, as always. My personal favourites were the kiss (and the embrace beforehand), Beckett acknowledging that for the past 4 years she has been giving him a lustful look, Beckett offering him her place as a sanctionary if things get too bad, Beckett calling Castle "Rick" twice, which we have only seen her say where they are arguing or bad things are happening, Ryan and Esposito taking that suspect down (did you see Espo's kick and Ryan's tackle?), the fact that now Beckett is going to ask more quetions about his past because she actually wants her relationship with him to stay 'poofy', Ryan and Esposito giving advice to Castle (although they have no experience dealing with an ex-wife and girlfriend) and Lanie speaking her mind to Beckett about fighting back to claim her territory.
ReplyDeleteI am a bit disappointed that Kate did not find out that it was not Castle's fault that his first marriage ended. I would have liked her to know that Meredith cheated on Castle, because that would definitly boost her confidence that he is not a playboy. But other than than, I can't complain. There were too many good things in this episode to disappoint me.
Anon 8:36 PM I think she was upset at the end for both reasons you gave.
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ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed this episode. It definitely made me reflect on the fact that Castle does dodge the personal questions frequently. We have learnt a lot about Beckett over the years, but have a very limited view of Castle. I liked Ryan's jabs at Espo about his relationship phobias and the whole group dynamic. I've missed the Lanie, Ryan and Espo moments, I was entertained and I am excited about where they can go from here. Well done Castle writers, actors and producers!
ReplyDeleteAgreed. All that comes to mind for me re: Castle's past, at least that he has shared with Beckett, is from 3x15 (the Final Nail) when he tells her about being shy @ school & Damien taking him under his wing & encouraging his writing. It was really nice to see him sharing, though somewhat reluctantly, and, likewise, to see Beckett's response to that.
DeleteCastle does seem to like to keep things lighthearted and somewhat on the surface; I very much look forward to seeing Beckett dig around what really makes him tick. From the pilot, Castle used his writer's skills to read into Beckett's character; it's about time Beckett used her detective skills to uncover more of his!
Why do people assume that because Meredith cheated, Castle did not have any fault in the marriage ending. Not that I am defending her cheating, but based on what she described, it seems that she felt the relationship was kinda onsided and she had a hard time continuing to deal with it.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I think this is how the are going to open things up to give some Castle back story
Anon 9:07- I never assumed Castle was faultless in the ending of his marriage to Meredith. It takes two to tango. But Meredith has shown to be all about herself and nothing else.
DeleteMeredith showing up to care for Alexis in the episode was just an excuse to see how serious things were between Castle and Beckett. She even admitted to that ulterior motive. She didn't show up for Alexis' graduation but she shows up to take care of her? I'm not saying she doesn't love Alexis, but when she made that comment about how all Alexis did was sleep and how Alexis is boring, to me it seemed like she wasn't particularly interested in being there solely for the reason she gave when walking through the door.
In season one, Meredith took Alexis out of school to go shopping because she wanted mother/daughter time even though Alexis had a test and didn't want to. She also wanted to move back to NY because there were no roles in LA. Being near Castle and Alexis was just a happy byproduct of wanting more career-wise. She and Alexis showing up at the precinct was her way of scoping out Castle's new muse and marking her territory, thinking she'd be moving back to NY. Castle saying Meredith cheated on him with her director proves she's all about herself and what she wants. I don't know if Castle opening up more to her would've changed anything, but I always got the impression that with how selfish Meredith is, it wouldn't have mattered. Maybe she wouldn't have cheated but at some point she probably would have left for her career. When Meredith spoke with Kate, to me, it seemed like she put the blame on Castle for their marriage ending. He wasn't enough and that wasn't ok with her, so adios. The relationship went a certain direction and that's not what she wanted and she always gets what she wants. I'm not saying she's solely at fault. Or that when things aren't perfect people don't look for something better. I just think the reason Meredith gave was her justification of why it ended and not the whole story. But Meredith won't admit she's anything but perfect unless it's to get what she wants (like telling Castle she hasn't been the best mother as a way to manipulate him into letting her stay at the loft). I got the impression that Castle was more invested in being a good father to Alexis than catering to Meredith about her career. Meredith is barely there now. With Castle being the father he is and loving being a father, I wouldn't be surprised that he payed more attention to Alexis than Meredith since Meredith isn't interested or particularly good at being a mother.
Castle isn't blameless. He is a mystery, as some people have already said. But the guy was coming off of losing Kyra (the one the got away) and maybe he was guarded, trying to protect himself. After Meredith, there was Gina. I'm speculating since it was never brought up to my knowledge, but I think it's possible he became more guarded after Meredith which might have played a role in the end of his marriage to Gina. But like Meredith said, who he was 15 years ago isn't who he is now. From season one until now, you can see how much he's changed and grown. Kate is different than his exes. He's more committed. And yes, I think this is a great set up for learning more about Castle in future episodes. In my opinion, it's needed. He's not blameless but there is clearly more the story.
I'm with you, 9:07. Remember Gina also complained that Castle never really let her in; he kept her separate from his relationship with Alexis. Perhaps Meredith was never really cut out for marriage (or motherhood), but I don't imagine that could've been so much of a surprise to Castle, seeing as how little she's changed.
DeleteDoes anyone know the name of the music that was played at the end? It was beautiful yet a little sad.
ReplyDeleteIt was probably composed by Robert Duncan especially for Castle.
DeleteI didn't like the ending. It just left me having so many questions that need to be answered. It's a big tease to make you question their relationship. But I still blieve it's all about them telling Ricks story and thus strengthing their relationship.
ReplyDeleteI loved the episode but I have to admitt that now I am sure they are the blind item.The Episodes are always foreshadowing and Shonda Rhimes confirmed at twitter that non of the Grey's couples are the blind item.
ReplyDeleteThey can't be the blind item. It's way too early. They just got together.
DeleteWhat is the bling item? I can't find it anywhere?
DeleteI think the blind item is Angela and Hodgins of Bones.
DeleteMe too! Heard awhile back they might break up for a bit
DeleteAngela and Hodgins weren't one of the couples listed as a possibility so its not them! Makes me a little nervous! :(
DeleteI didn't really liked the episode (I am tired of Castle being always the one we made fun of)
ReplyDeleteI didn't like that Beckett didn't take a step back sooner and tried to understand Castle in this situation.
That lead to the ending that I loved.
That Meredith said was true. And I think It was what lead her to cheat on him. Castle is still that way. However, where Meredith quit on Castle, I am sure that Beckett will only work harder and harder to have him trust her with his deepest pains and secrets.
I think that ep shows us that where Castle always tried to understand, Beckett always judge then maybe if she feels like it, she will try to ask herself "why did he do such things" and try to think of another answers than "Well he's an idiot".
For instance, I don't think it's rocket science to guess that Meredith, for all her fault, is still Alexis' mom. That if, for Once, she want to take her of her daughter, Castle would have a very hard time to denied that to his kid even if he knows, in this context, he should have said no to Meredith.
Meredith played the "Alexis' Card". If you know Castle at all, you know that it's the way to manipulate him.
It doesn't seem that even cross Kate's mind in one moment. It just "You let your ex-wife in your home, your the bad guy, I don't care about anything else".
Thus the ending could be revealing to her. I believe she finally undestand that she only knows him in a shallow way. Now she asked to herself why ? On one hand, I agree Castle isn't much a sharer. On the other hand, Beckett never really worked on that yet. Not the way Castle did.
To pick the same example as Meredith about his father. The first time we heard of it, Kate never asked him something about it. Worst than this, she even shared the information with a rather sarcastic "Castle is famously fatherless". Not really a good way to have someone share his feeling about this. The second time, she's a little more sensitive about the topic, but again she brushed it off. Castle were clearly agitated about it. She conforted him with "Sofia tells a lot of lies", but don't follow up with any question about it.
Not the way to have someone trust you and share with you something, morse of that person isn't someone who share easily.
As I said earlier, Kate is a fighter. She loves him and want a good relationship with him. I am sure she will work to change that.
I am also glad that the writers acknowledge that their relationship is a little one-sided and they show us that they planned to change that. Maybe not right away, but I think that was their way to tell us it will change.
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Beckett gives Castle a bit of a hard time, that's true (she admittedly enjoys torturing him!), but it's not like she didn't try to understand his situation. She did mention his Catch-22 when talking to Lanie, and she admitted later on that Meredith is hard to say 'no' to.
DeleteI think you're right in that she wants to work to make this relationship last, hence her question to Meredith about what went wrong. She's gathering & processing evidence, in a way. I don't imagine she's worried that her relationship with Castle is very similar to those of his with his exes, but I'm sure she wants to get it right, and different perspectives, well-intentioned or otherwise, can be eye-opening.
I'm continuing to enjoy & look forward to every episode!
Don't quite know how you can say that it did not cross Kate's mind that Castle did what he did for Alexis, since she basically said that to Lanie. That does not mean she had to be ok with it.
DeleteYour post seems to act as though Kate has never tried to get to know Castle, but I can remember at least one time she was trying to understand something about him and he initially would not answer her questions and then made up a story.
Besides, some of Castle's inital getting to know Beckett was for his book and was actually intrusive. Like looking into her mother's case without permission.
Meredith clearly has issues with Castle not sharing, so maybe the problem is more his, than Beckett not being sensitive or pushing enough.
Wow. Don't you get character progression and building a backstory and building a plot.
DeleteSometimes a writer plants seeds throughout a story as they build up to the plot and a resolution. On tv this has to play out over a 22-24 episode season.
Everything can't be covered in one episode.
Beckett in S2 didn't trust and care for Castle as much as she does now and she was concerned about Castle when Sophia told him about his father and why make him suffer by giving him false hope or place doubt in him without knowing the truth. She comforted him by lessening his concerns without evidence.
When you think so negative about the writer and his characters it blinds you and makes you biased about the story being told.
It's like when I come to this board there's so much negativity after every single episode and I see a ton of growth and good things developing before my eyes, but all people do here is bitch and complain and not see how far these two have come and how far they still have to go. Everything can't be discussed in one episode and only roses and rainbows are shown. Sometimes conflict is created to build character, not to.destroy and I still see two characters who are still able to give us the spice of the early seasons and show the love that has grown between them. The humor in tonight's episode was to make us.laugh, but at the same time showed how BOTH stayed by the other's side and no one lashed out to hurt and destroy the other. There was a lot of affection in snarky remarks from Beckett with a playful edge ontop of it also being serious. Beckett didn't leave. She stayed. She even bonded with his ex. Castle is usually picked on by Ryan and Espo when it comes to him and Beckett. It's THEIR THING! It's not about Castle.always being made fun of in a bad way, but it's their way.of showing affection for him and Beckett will always be snarky and playful and yes she can get mad, too, but it's IN CHARACTER.
I don't know what some fans are watching and what they think the characters should be, but Marlowe usually nails them all perfectly all the while continuing to evolve the characters and the relationship.
You can't tell me Beckett in episode 2 would've stayed in the apartment with Castle and Meredith. She wasn't being insecure, but upset that her man's ex was living with him... oops... WITH THEM, as she put it at their HOME as she also called Castle's loft and some of you don't see that as growth and evolving the characters? Wow.
This was meant to be lighthearted amd build a backstory for Castle and progress the relationship. I saw it. I laughed. And still look forward to more. We got a kiss also and great banter with Caskett, Ryan/Espo/Castle, Lanie/Beckett, Martha/Castle, Martha/Alexis trying to get rid of Meredith reminiscant of Always Buy Retail, Meredith/Beckett, and a pretty good case, too.
Some fans are never satisfied. Geez. Just turn the channel if you're that phucking miserable.
I didn't say that. Just only said that, As much fun it can be, I am tired that they played the "poor little Castle is ribbed by the other". I am not stupid,I undestood that it their way to bond. Could we move along please and not have that every three of four episodes, please ?
DeleteAlso, I wasn't negative, since I said that I am sure that Beckett will work on the trust and getting to know Castle better. That I was glad because she grewth from past season when she disregarded Castle's feelings and never really tried to understand him or his point of view.
Last, but not least, I never mention Beckett was insecure. Just giving a hard time without trying to hear him out. She said it herself "you're the bad guy, I don't want to hear it".
No surprise that she knows him so little in the end.How could someone trust you with his past and pains if you rib him a new one everytime he make a mistake, without even trying to understand his reasoning ? The end of the episode show us it will change a little, and that it's a good think.
Also, It is IN Character, as I tried to show it. And Even if I like Beckett, I don't have to like every single angle of her character. Her tendancy to judge without trying to find out the Whys, is something I don't usually like in a person. It's something I consider a flaw, and that annoys me.
I am someone who prefer to think about the issue, try to understand the other, then get mad if they're really no good reasons (or excuses some could say). Kate, it's the contrary. I don't like it on anyone, nor any characters on TV.
I agree whole hearteadly that that kind of flows it's a great thing if you talk about characters writing It proves that writers knows that they're doing. However, while I watch an episode, I think of them as people not as characters. Thus their flaws can annoys me. This one does.
Plus I think that flaw won't really help in the relationship and she has to work on it too.
They're giving a realistic feel to the relationship, and for that, I am glad. But realistic means they end up hurting each other, it's a given. They'd have to forgive, a lot of little things if they want to last. One of the key to forgive and to understand why someone did a mistake.
That's Castle department. Beckett is more about the fact. You did that, it was wrong, it deserved punishment. No excuses. She said it herself.
I think after this episode she will see that she need to understand the whys, the motives.
She's a detective, she works like one. She has the facts, the hows, and usually, the motives are afterthought for her. It's nice to know, but she tought she didn't need it. She is starting to change that, as it was shown on the episode.
Even if by the middle of the episode she tried to understand better, and stand by him a little, I still think it took longer than I'd like.
Re: "Her tendancy to judge without trying to find out the Whys, is something I don't usually like in a person."
DeleteBeckett is very interested in the whys - from a cop perspective, that's motive. Yes, she starts with the facts, but motive is certainly not an afterthought. Since the pilot, she's been shown to be a detective who keeps digging to find the truth. Think back to A Chill Runs Through Her Veins; Beckett was angry about cops who don't bother really investigating, fleshing out all those tiny details that don't quite fit. One reason she and Castle are such a good team is because they are both sincerely interested in finding the things that make everything make sense.
With respect to Castle, if there's anything Beckett disregards, it's his crazy theories, but it is certainly not his feelings. Watch episodes where she is privy to his trials & tribulations with Alexis, with Kira, with Damien. He reminds her of her grandfather; she's asked about stories from his past. Beckett is interested in Castle, feelings and all, and while her character is developing nicely, that's not a new thing.
Just finished watching this eppy again and u know what made me laugh.......at the very end When he says to Kate, "I'm gonna make u breakfast before u leave." He then walks toward the kitchen and he says ,"I think I'll whip u up a smorelett. Bahahaah! Anyone remember the "SMORELETT". lmao POOR Kate!!!!
ReplyDeletelol! I heard it too! I really need to try one of those...
Deleteno, what was smorelett?
DeleteYet again some fans aren't seeing the big picture. That ending confirmed for me that Marlowe.is not only laying groundwork for Castle's backstory, but also laying the groundwork as he has all season for Beckett to discover the mystery that Castle is to her. I saw her look at the end as a woman hurting for boyfriend and how he hasn't broken down his wall completely like she wasn't dealing with her past. I think Kate's going to be his rock when his past comes back up very much like he has for her.
ReplyDeleteKate's in this relationship to win it like Castle is and we bad tremendous growth from Kate by staying with him and not allowing Meredith's presence to come between them. I didn't so much as see her being totally insecure in this.episode because she said she trusted him, but was giving him a hard time about Meredith in an affectionate way and not in the way where she walks out, shuts him out, and is deeply hurt by something Castle did. She stayed by his side and made sure she "pulled his pigtails" like he does with her once she realized Meredith was sticking around. She even met with Meredith and bonded.
Meredith didn't have to tell Beckett she cheated on Castle. What she said implicated that they pulled apart in their marriage and he went one way and she went another when he wouldn't let her get close to him. She placed blame on herself and on Castle and some marriages do end because people give upon the relationship and turn to other vices instead of each other for comfort. Sometimes those vices is another person besides your spouse. No need for Meredith to spell it out.
Marlowe is setting it up so the same thing doesn't happen to Castle and Beckett and for that to happen she needs to get to know Castle as much as he's tried to get to know her and she is voicing her feelings this season instead of hiding them. So what some see as conflict and insecurities, I see as a stepping stone to strengthen their relationship and themselves to be better for each other. Love this show and Caskett! Great episode! Beckett was able to break through her worry and concern for Castle and shine a loving and appreciative smile at the end as he prepared a meal for her. He's always taking care of her, now it's her time to do some heavy lifting in the relationship and be his rock like he's been for her through her struggles. What makes Castle vulnerable? What's in his past that he can't share with others? With her? He opened her up and now it's her turn.
Marlowe is a genius.
Yes! Well said. You and Marlowe both, Anon 10:30.
DeleteThank you Anon 10.30 PM for one of the best comments I've ever seen! Good to know there are still people out there willing to look at the bigger picture unfolding and not becoming so focused on the relationship that nothing else matters!
DeleteAbsolutely! I think her look could be that she realizes she also can't do a brochure on him and I think she's a bit surprised by that. Good thing she's a detective. She also doesn't give up and jump to someone new.
DeleteYes, brilliantly said. I agree. I look forward to her becoming his rock! They needed to do this........
DeleteThis episode was one of my favorites this season. The case was good, it was hilarious in parts, and it had an ending that makes you think. I don't think the ending spells trouble in any way for Caskett. I think it just shows that Kate and Rick still have a ways to go in their relationship, plus it opened the door to exploring Castle's father again. I loved Ryan and Espo especially- they were at their comic best when they talked to Castle about his worlds colliding. And of course, I just love to hate Meredith! I thought it was a brilliant episode and a great way to kick off the new year!
ReplyDeleteI think the episode about Castle's that will help clear some things out for them both.
ReplyDeleteCastle's dad.
DeleteAlso wanted 2 add that I also believe that Kates distracted look at the end was more about her wondering about Castles past. Remember how upset she was at the precinct after her first encounter with Meredith. Kate responded to Castle by saying ,"upset?.why would I be upset ?"she goes on to mention things about his past life with Meredith and how she knows how he likes his coffee ect.She was maybe starting to realize at that point how little she knows about him and his past .
ReplyDeleteWow, i feel like i'm saying this every week (or so) but i really loved this episode, and especially the beautiful ending. Beautiful enough to bring me some tears. It came as a big surprise after a lighthearted and really funny episode. ("You're not the man that i thought i knew", See ? There was nothing to worry about. It was just hilarious).
ReplyDeleteThat last scene just stood out for me, through the episode and the season. I think it's gonna be a scene to remember. A "significant" turning point that no one expected (or expected this season).
There are many ways to understand the scene. To me it's the moment Beckett realize that she loves him. Not that she's crazy about him or find him adorable. She LOVES him. She loves that man, righ in front of her. That wonderful man that loves her so much he went through hell to help her bring down her walls, and insecurities, that man that has always been here for her, with his gorgeous smile and his sense of humor and his compassion, that man that she loves so much has walls and wounds of his own. She's supposed to be a tough detective but she never noticed this. She's not concerned for them as a couple anymore, she trusts him with her heart, but she's concerned about him. He is now the mystery in the relationship. Where does his fascination for the macabre comes from? Who is his father?… And it's her turn to solve it and save him, like he saved her.
It feels like a new dimension to the show. Now we're gonna learn about the main character backstory. The real one.
There is so much more to say about Significant Others (the cute kiss, Ryan and Espo, Lanie's fiercy comments, "Button Up Kitten") but i'm still too high about the end to really comment anything else.
I'm just gonna say again how much i love Marlowe, the writers, Stana & Nathan, all the cast, all the crew and i must add the brilliant Robert Duncan, for making such an incredible episode. Thank You.
Love, from a tropic isle
Soho
Nailed it exactly - thank you for being so articulate.
DeleteWe also got to see Castle share with Beckett some of Castle's background when his friend Damien (whom Castle knew when he was at boarding school) was cuffed for plotting his father's murder. This episode was in S3. Castle told Beckett that without Damien supporting him, he never would have become a writer. So, there is so much more for Beckett to find out about Castle which of course she will because she's a cop.
ReplyDeleteP.S. Castle is not the blind item. Beckett would never be able to find out his background in time for the ending of the show. It took 4 yrs. for Castle to know as much as he knows about Beckett and I doubt that Castle would stick around for Beckett to learn about him after their breakup.
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Not only did it have the comedy side it had the romantic and the murder side. I enjoyed the whole thing from beginning to end.
ReplyDeleteFirst to comment on Kate's look at the end to Rick. I don't really think it was really as much worry as it is she just wants to know his heart. She wants to know him in and out, know his secrets and what means the most to him. She wants to peel the layers and find out what it is about him that makes him a writer. Since they both lost one of their parents they can really connect emotionally. And I think once they dive further into his fathers life she will stand by him and truly show how she feels and be his anchor. Despite her attitude about Merideth I could see in her eyes and face how in love she really is. And I love seeing it.
I thought castle was too cute in this episode. He was so busy making sure Kate was satisfied or trying to that he hurdled himself into every possible obstacle imaginable when it came to his ex. His reaction to the dinner, and to the inside joke between Merideth and Kate. To the whole booking a hotel. And I thought Beckett took the situation very well.
The boys are always good and funny. I like how they are castles wingman for when he does something he shouldn't. And their reactions are priceless.
The other thing I loved about it was how comfortable Kate is in his house. Even though their is a house full of women Kate has no problem showing castle any amount of affection.
Loved this episode and everything in it. Definitely my top 5. Now I just can't wait for the next one. And by the way Merideth is a character that I love to hate. I loved her don't care get what I want attitude. She played it extremely well. For someone who has only done 2 episodes so far she has made quite an impression.
Caskett forever!!! Good night all.
Yeh, you're right!
DeleteThe last Kate's look doesn't mean anything wrong about Caskett..
It just means that she's realizing that she's gonna have a hard work to do to get inside Castle's mind & heart & past.
BTW, she does want to know him deeply and that's a good twist for future.
Over the course of nearly four and a half seasons much of the back story has focussed on Kate Beckett and her mother's murder, despite the fact that Rick is the main character. We've also watched Rick help Kate break her own wall down over time, culminating in the two of them beginning an intimate relationship at the end of Season 4. We've seen the revealing of Senator William Bracken as the man who ordered Dick Coonan to murder Johanna Beckett and her colleagues, an indication that the slow burning furnace that is the Johanna Beckett murder conspiracy is going to be extinguished sooner rather than later. That case has been at the core of this show and it would seem that the mystery surrounding Rick's father's true identity will move into the place the Johanna Beckett murder holds once Senator Bracken has been brought to justice. This episode just aired also added some new building blocks intended to have Kate help Rick bring down his own wall like he did hers. The show's creators haven't touched on Rick's wall or his past much at all, given most of their focus has been on Kate's back story. Given what we've seen so far this season I'd be very surprised if Caskett are Michael Auseillo's "blind item", as this show is heading in the opposite direction to what Michael Auseillo appears to be suggesting. Looking forward to seeing how the rest of the season plays out!
ReplyDelete11.52PM again.
DeleteYou're perfectly right...
This season's gonna(probably) see the end of Johanna's case and, maybe the 3XK's one.
Now that Castle has always been there to help Beckett, we gonna see now the other side...
How will Beckett get to help Castle about his past, his doubts and probably some people who were missing..
Anon 12.17 AM again. Thanks for your reply. I remember the Season 2 episode "A Rose Forever After". It was one of the only episodes I can think of where a question was asked by Kate about Rick's past. There was specifically a scene in an elevator where Kate refers to Kyra Blaine as being "real" in comparison to his ex-wives and that she didn't think Rick went for real women (well she knows that now lol). He was quickly dismissive of the conversation and it was very clear that he is haunted by what happened between him and Kyra (the fact that he was young and naive and let her slip through his fingers). The following scene after the elevator was pretty funny as Lanie tried to provoke a jealous response out of Kate at the morgue!
DeleteI am looking forward to seeing how they reveal more about Rick's past. It's pretty clear that Kate will stand by him as they begin to discover more and more about who his father really is. I understand that Andrew Marlowe is being extra cautious in regards to this story line as he wants to find a way to make it believable and memorable for the fans. I guess to some extent he wants to get all his ducks in a row before he dives into this story line, hence why we are beginning to see the building blocks emerging of a shift of focus away from Kate's past and towards Rick's. I think the Johanna Beckett murder conspiracy has been handled extremely well and it has played a huge role in getting the two characters together, but they are together now and eventually the show has to shift its focus away from the conspiracy and onto something else, which like I said in my last post will more than likely be discovering Rick's father's true identity.
I'm getting tired of seeing Kate with a worried look on her face, I realise there are various interpretations but I felt it just came over as her getting fed another insecurity and I don't think that Castle backstory is going to be explored in any great degree as some fans see to think.
ReplyDeleteNext week it will be back to normal as if nothing has happened and Kate won't ask Castle about a single thing.
She never found out he cheated on her either which I was really hoping for.
So yes there were funny moments and I did enjoy the episode except the ending sadly was not so good for me and I just wish they would stop creating more worries for Kate about Rick, this show has increasingly been more about Kate over the last two seasons IMO so if they do actually take time to have Kate make a real effort at getting to know him better then I'm all for it.
And they didn't show them having their girl talk so we don't know what happened there either really and I wanted to see that.
Also the kiss was nice but a bit dark again, would be nice to see more and for them not to get interrupted. Stana and Nathan have chemistry to burn so can we please see some more of it.
I don't believe the blind item is Castle in a million years, Andrew said he wouldn't split them up.
12.33AM coming back to say correction on my previous post Meredith cheated on HIM and Kate didn't find out which was annoying.
DeleteCan't believe no one has mentioned that the reason Meredith came to stay was because Alexis told her that Dad and Kate were serious! Totally jealous.
ReplyDeleteI noticed that fact when I watched the episode a second time. It was just slipped in quietly, and I thought that it was a very important fact - especially since it came from Alexis. Very significant.
DeleteFirst time I have ever posted. I wanted to point out to Anon 9:07 that in the season one: “Always Buy Retail” where we first Meredith, that from the beginning, Meredith has been “does what she wants when she wants type.” This was glaringly evident when she kidnaps Alexis from school for some “Alexi’s time” over Alexis objections. Again it is evident, when she shows up at the precinct to size up Beckett, Castle's new muse and her competition. She had to let Beckett know she was his original muse.
ReplyDeleteJust like before, she waltzes into town disrupts everyone’s life and then waltzes out. Meredith is a pot stirrer and a bit of a narcissist. She admitted she came because Alexis told her it was serious with Beckett and Castle. So just like before she had to sew a seed of doubt, with Beckett. Narcissists always have to assert their superiority and that was her way. Again being a narcissist, she is going to see the marriage one-sided, of course. Also, she has to give Beckett that reason for the marriage's demise so to cast herself in the better light. She can’t let Beckett know she cheated with her director, while Castle is home taking care of Alexis.
What I find troubling is Beckett, being the intelligent woman she is, didn’t see through Meredith’s motives. Also, I find it troubling that Beckett is always the one with the “seeds of doubt” about the relationship, ready to give up once things get tough as in “Cloudy with a Chance of Murder and After Hours.” Let’s give Castle a little credit. He is the one that makes the heart felt speeches and the one to alleviate Beckett’s relationship doubts. Also, he is the only one to say “I love you.”
But the writers have to get his back story in some way, just wish it wasn’t at the relationship’s expense.
Oh but don't you see ? Beckett has every right to be the way she is because her mom is deeeeeead (insert tears and snifs here). And She had a hard time in her life !
DeleteCastle is a man, thus he's always wrong, because, as we all know, men are jerks. He doesn't have the right to make mistakes because he could have a hard past. Even if he had a hard past, he needs to man up and grow up !
Plus, Castle was a playboy. Nevermind that Beckett had more boyfriends than Castle had girlfriends in the course in the show, it's Castle we shouldn't trust because of his past.
Finally, Castle has to be a psychic and knows why Beckett is the way she is, that she hide things, and what things, without Beckett having to talk.
On the other hand, Beckett can't understandCastle, but it isn't her fault because he doesn't talk, even when he lives huge hints, become the worst actor on the planet when he says he's fine.
Subtext was there all along the show to beckett to understand.
I quote "I want to give Alexis everything I didn't have". That includs two parents that care about her. Meredith knew that and manipulate Castle with that in her little ploy to assert her superiority toward Beckett. Oh but, How Beckett could have understand that ? (I, for myself, don't think it's hard to find out)
However, Castle has to understand everyone of Beckett insecurities and mistake with only one look from Beckett, or the way she drink her coffee or put her hair in the morning.
Actually, I may be wrong. Hardcore Beckett fans are too in love with Beckett. They just thinks she's stupid and take Castle for a Supergenious.
(Sorry for that outburst, but I again, on another board, read "Beckett is super cool and super right everytime, Castle is always the bad guys. If the show were really that way, so black and white instead of the beautiful nuance of grey it is, I would have quit a long time ago)
Loved the episode I think it was really fitting for where they are as a couple now. As I read most of the posts there seems to be alot of anger about what Meredith said to Beckett - I personally don't think she was saying it to cause conflict or have the upper hand but rather expressing that it wasn't enough for her to stay in the marrigae because Castle knew everything about her and she know nothing about him. She was trying to say that Castle never opened up to her, he never really showed himself and this may have been the cause for her infidelity - Castle just wasn't giving enough of himself to the marriage.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Kate's expression was about insecurities but rather in agreement with meredith about castle not opening up, she just realised well hang on a minute he really hasn't told me alot about his past - he's given her little bits here and there but never fully opened himself up and let her in.
Although Beckett and Castle have been working parnters for 4 years and by that stage you think that you know that person, when you jump into a intimate relationship you realise that wow actually I don't know anything about you - but that's the fun of a relationship - learning about each other. We all know about Becketts past because it's what drives her/ consumes her to be who she is ti pretty hard to miss. But just remember we thought Castle knew everything about Beckett yet he didnt know about her christmas tradition (working every year). Castle is still learning who the real Kate Beckett is as well.
So I believe this season we are going to see Beckett delve more into Castle's background and try to figure out who he is - make him open up to her.
It's pretty shocking that it's only dawning on Kate now after 4 years and 8 months of being together that she doesn't know much about Castle as she thought, why not? He is always wanting to know about her and take interest in her mom's case and issues.
ReplyDeleteKate has been far too wrapped up in her problems and she doesn't spend enough time outside her own head IMO to worry about much else. I would like this episode to finally move things away from Kate and her worrying every other week and Rick needing to reassure her and during the latter half of the season concentrate more on Rick.
Because whose fault is it that she doesn't know much about Rick? She never asks him about his life or shows any real interest so I'm that surprised, she's way too self absorbed and that's not her fault exactly because suffering the traumas she has tends to make you want to protect yourself and look inwards - but it's not very appealing long term and if you're a partner of someone like that it can be tough.
Rick thankfully doesn't seem to mind her introspection but may be now things will be different as Meredith may have opened her eyes to the fact she doesn't know Rick as well as she thinks she does and SHE needs to make an effort not just him all the time.
I also didn't like it when she said she "liked him a bit more" when she got back from dinner, why didn't she say love? That was the perfect time for her to just slip in the love word IMO without making it a huge deal. I would be pretty upset afterwards if I was Rick thinking how serious is she about us? She still can't say ILY and I have to say it's starting to bug me.
I loved the episode!
ReplyDeleteFor me, the case was very good (maybe I´m not smart enough, but I didn´t figure the murderer or the final twists at all)...
About the end, I think Kate´s look is more about realising that Castle has his walls too... AND she will have a hard work to get to them, because she won´t be like Meredith and give up on him (because he worths the fight)!
The ep was good as a piece of a larger season arc, but I won't say it's a favorite.
ReplyDeleteThere was much I did like. Case was decent, all the characters save Gates were present and had stuff to do, the guests were great, was funny, had action, made me squirm at the predicaments, etc., looked great, sounded great, good pace. Just.
There were things I did not like so much:
Not keen that Meredith's infidelity was not mentioned. I wouldn't expect her to own up to something that deep to Kate, but it would have been nice to have had it acknowledged somehow.
The sweet souffle was a fun counterpoint to deep fried twinkie, but the non-mention of infidelity was a glaring omission from an ep centered around the collision of worlds.
Not keen that Beckett never asked Castle. Although I'm sure that was in part the point of that dramatic ending, her realization of all she's never bothered to ask.
Whatever else was learned from Meredith, all we got was "I think I like you a little bit more." Resounding growth of affection and respect that is.
Not keen that the writers treat Castle like a castrated kicked puppy when it suits, in order to prolong the scenario of an ep.
He's always been a goofball. But I loathe and detest when the show makes it seem like he has no balls at times. He's supposed to be charming with women, not trampled over by them. Complete to Beckett offering protection at the end of the ep. It's fun to be foibled. It's grating to be completely boxed in by a premise with nowhere to go.
It was an excruciating hour because there was no progress for Castle, the writers made Kitten stay in the doghouse the whole damned time while getting to change nothing of his circumstances because the plot demanded Meredith's ongoing presence.
Not keen that neither Castle nor Beckett solved their reactions to the circumstances. Meredith did. She presented problems, played mindgames with everyone, "smoothed" things over with dinner, and left when she was damned well good and ready and not a moment sooner. Beckett didn't battle her insecurities, Meredith invited her to dinner & soothed them. Castle didn't converse and change the course of things, Meredith guilted him.
Just. Again. Not enjoyable because the characters didn't actually DO anything. I get that the their growth from this point on is what's likely to feed a large part of the rest of the season, but even incremental baby steps from how the ep started woulda been appreciated.
I'm glad it seems like the show is positioning to reveal more of Castle, and while still continuing Beckett's journey of both self-realization and learning about Rick. That's overdue, IMO.
Personally I'd hope for some Castle material not dependent just on family, and more to do with work as a writer & investigator, but do recognize that would give little for Martha & Alexis to do.
I just hope that as the writers beef up Castle's characters, they don't completely neuter him. That's wearing as thin as Beckett's pathos filled angsty insecurity fade to blacks. Castle was a guy who "borrowed" a police horse, he was Captain America With A Taser who ultimately grew into the guy who has saved Beckett countless times, listened to her, supported her, while raising a daughter alone, made his own success, and engaged in a personal battle with a serial killer in 3XK.
He'll stand up for Alexis and punch Det. slaughter, he'll turn chuck norris on anyone threatening to hurt Beckett, but loses his gumption when it comes to standing up for himself and his new Very Serious relationship? I don't buy it. I don't enjoy it.
Please Marlowe, please. Keep Kitten away from the vet. Give him back at least part of his tom cat grit mixed with his felix the cat type traits. He can still be cute and warm and generous while having a bit more of a spine. Especially in his wheelhouse.
See I don't think he was trampled I think he got stuck in a no-win situation. Meredith was his WIFE, regardless of what she said at the end she knows enough about him to 'play' him. Husbands & wives know exactly how to manipulate each other and when he came home to tell her to go to hotel she knew what he was about to say and she manipulated him by using her own failings as a mother as guilt. There was nothing he could have said that wouldn't have made him feel like a monster depriving his daughter of an opportunity to have her mother around for once when she needed her.
DeleteI love the parallels that this show draws - did any notice that when Mer and Kate return from the dinner - Castle does something ( I could not catch the dialogue there tho) to which Kate replies - how come I have never noticed that? And the ending in a way takes a more serious tone when it dawns upon her that maybe she does not know much about the man in his life!
ReplyDeletethat he leans to the left when he is nervous
Deletei hadn't caught that either. that is a wierd thing to do when you are nervous.......funny.
DeleteCastle clueless spinless child. Kate the most insure person on the planet.I want to go back to the good old days of seasons 1& 2.In fact i do go back and watch those seasons over and over again.What happened to the LOVE story. All we got is friend with benefits.The last four seasons were wtwt. This season your place or mine.
ReplyDeleteIs it now every other episode that Kare will have doubt about this relationship!!!! Cant they just go back to having fun and sex.... enough already....
ReplyDeleteLet me get something Beckett straight. If I really understood :
ReplyDelete- She wanted a gift from Castle for Christmas so she said "no gift". Then she get mad when she get what she asked for (or didn't get, here)
- She didn't want Meredith there so she said it was all right if she stays at the loft. Then, gets mad because she's staying at the loft.
Girl, I love you, but if you don't speak out that you really want, or doesn't want, people won't simply guess. As you said, men are clueless. Swallow your pride for once and spell it out !
In my book, you want or doesn't want something, you say it. You don't wait for the others to magically guess what you really meant. If they do something that upset you, following exactly what you said, you are the one to blame !
Not saying Castle is blamless in this story. Far from it, no one should have to say to him that it wasn't alright. But what rub me wrong was "4 years and you still don't know the look !" I wanted to say "more than 4 years and you still don't know that Castle can't say no to...basically anyone"
I think it's funny how people that comment negatively about beckett's insecurites (she didn't seem insecure to me in the ep, just teasing her man) and castle supposed dumbness (for me he's just extra caring, although i would have loved to see him more manly here), and characters jumping to conclusion, are maybe the same people that get insecure and jump to conclusion everytime a promo or a SP let us think something bad happens and get insecure about the future of the show and marlowe's vision.
ReplyDeleteBest example is "You're not the man that i tought i knew" . How many times have i read the craziest theories about whe she meant by that, even i spent countless time trying to figure it out...
It's a show and a good one. but it cannot please everyone every episode. writers and characters are human, flawed and make mistakes and bad asumptions, just like us
i really enjoyed this ep. the ending was truly a beautiful moment and one of my favorite scenes so far. and i liked caskett like this, so "domestic", i see their relationship grow every episode. It's never perfect and it shouldn't be. I don't wanna see perfect people doing perfect things, but interesting and loveable characters that go through life and reflects and inspire us
Ok so I only made it half way through the posts before I decided to respond (apologies if the has already been addressed). I'd like to address everyone's surprise that Meredith didn't tell Kate that she cheated on Castle. From what we've seen thus far of her character I would have been shocked had she admitted to that. She seems to be the type of woman who takes no responsibility for her actions, therefore I am sure in her mind it was a result of Castle's emotional distance that ended the marriage. And who knows, the may be ore to her than what's on the surface. Maybe his emotional distance is what drove her to infidelity....who knows?
ReplyDeleteSecondly, and this has been bugging me all season, castle's character isn't sitting right with me for some reason. Don't get me wrong, I am truly enjoying this season on the whole (especially Ryan and Esposito). I don't know, maybe I feel like he's being almost cavalier about his relationship with Beckett. I certainly don't expect rainbows and unicorns (that would get old very fast), but isn't this the woman he's waited for to "open her eyes and see that he's right here" for four years? I just feel like maybe there should be just a little more reverence shown towards the relationship from him. And there have been a couple of lovely moments where that has shown (in the premier when he's looking through the file cabinet and talking about grasping at straws), but on the whole it has been lacking.
Just my thoughts
I beg to disagree - just bcoz we have waited for someone long enough does not mean you become whipped.I am in a relationship where my partner has been waiting for 3 yrs before we got together but he did not become all taken after that.We just continued the way we are as normal person - and they are not teenagers! Castles love comes out when he tries to pacify Kate in each in every episode when she has doubts - that is more realistic and acceptable to me. Especially this episode showed how comfortable they are with each other.
DeleteWell said...
DeleteYour partner must be lucky to be with you...
I agree with you 8.05 AM I'm not quite getting Rick Castle either this season, yes I'm enjoying the relationship but I too feel there's a certain something lacking in the way he is treating the relationship and Kate. That passion and drive I saw in his FOUR YEARS! speech I don't see the same man who gave that speech in the way he acts around Kate now. He waited for years for this woman! I was expecting a little more from him, it's difficult to explain but I'm not really feeling the right vibe.
DeleteKate I definitely feel the love she has now for Rick but him not so much, he's a little too casual for me in the way he is dealing with the relationship and her feelings.
So I'm late to the party but here are my thoughts...
ReplyDeleteFirst off, great episode. I was not sure how this one would turn out but it was done quite well. Now this may send shallow of me, but the first thing I want to comment on is Kate's hair and wardrobe...it was fantastic. Stana was just stunning in this one, well she is all the time but in this episode, she looked ridiculously gorgeous. I loved the mirror shot, that was beautiful, the lighting hitting on her hair and face highlighting her jawline, and her porceline skin, wow, that was just a really good shot. And her wardrobe was really nice, loved the outfit in the last scene.
Ok so now to the actual episode. Merits did what I expected her to do, and Ryan and Esposito little comments were too cute. Anyone else notice how incredibly handsome Ryan looked. He looked amazing in this episode. Some really funny scenes with castle trying to get back into Kate's good books. I was really happy Kate and Meredith bonded, I was hoping for this instead of some territorial fight, so I'm glad it happened. Loved Martha's attitude towards Meredith too...
I thought the end was interesting, I know the are split opinions on this. I think Kate had an AHA moment as in she never realized how little she actually knows about him. And maybe a tinge of worry as well. But I think they just put that in there to make room for Kate discovering more about him and them growing stronger. I don't think she will get scared and lead to them breaking up. I don't think they are ausiellos blind item, if they were, I'd be surprised and extremely disappointed. Marlowe is a very smart man, so I don't see him doing this.
But as much as I loved the episode, I must say I was dissapointed that Meredith's infidelity didn't come up. Or even any talk whatsoever about his past marriages. That is so important for Kate because she needs to known here she stand with him. I think they had a good opportunity to bring it up but wasted that.
I'm also getting a little bored with the writers making Kate jealous and insecure, but I was ok with this one because I figured if they are bringing inmeredith then for sure Kate and Rick will talk about his past, but they didnt. Im fine with These kinds of storylines as long as they Serve to move the relationship forward not backward. So I'm hoping that this isn't the beginning of the end as some seem to think and that by seasons end, they will break up, I hope this isn't planting more seeds of doubt and insecurities that will lead to nothing. My only hope is that Kate pushes him to be more open and asks questions about his Past and he let's her in however difficult it may be because he wants this relationship to last, so now it's his turn to let her in . As long as what Meredith told Kate in the end helps caskett move forward, I'm fine. Enough backtracking, enough wondering, enough doubts. Let's get it all out one by one and get caskett to a point where they know the good , the bad and the ugly, and still be helplessly in love.
Also , Stana and Nathan did a fantastic job with all their Facial expressions.
Cheers from Malaysia.
I agree that it was an Aha moment, with the little thing like the nutmeg and whatever they said (I couldn't understand) about what Castle does when he gets stressed. She really realized how little she knows about him and it's been all about her. I think it was a brilliant way to segway into the second half of the season. Ryan was handsome and those two boys were fun together. I thought there were so many great 'couple' moments already showing how comfortable Caskett is with each other. I know all of this is only moving them forward. Yes, Stana's last outfit looked totally great on her! I was okay with them not bringing up Meredith cheating, I think it will come up when appropriate. I was good with how it all went. I thought it all was brilliantly done actually. I am fine with the pace of the show. I do think some might think Castle gets rolled over, but, it's clear he is just a people pleaser always trying to make everyone happy..........a sensitive and caring guy and that's okay with me.
DeleteI agree - Beckett looked amazing, and I also noticed how good Ryan was looking in this episode, as well.
DeleteAll these discussions about Castle's walls made me think why did he choose the name Castle for himself - has he ever told that to Beckett? Also come to think of it 'Castle'(as in architecture) does have thick walls meant to protect and preserve.
ReplyDeleteis castle not his real name? good theory if not.
DeleteHis real name richard alexander rodgers
DeleteAnon 10.33 AM, remember that his birth name was Richard Alexander Rogers. He changed it to Richard Edgar Castle in honour of Edgar Allen Poe. Anon 9.02 AM, I think this was covered in the "He's Dead, She's Dead" episode in Season 3, after the daughter of the deceased psychic told Kate that someone named Alexander would become very important to her and that at some stage he may save her life. We got a cute smile out of Kate afterwards!
Deleteoh, i missed that ep. Thanks! Will check it out! Now that you say that, Martha's last name is Rogers I remember now........but, Alexis is Castle right? Interesting.........why did he choose Castle? Another fact to find out!!!
DeleteAlright I loved this episode from start to finish. There was some wonderful moment and some really funny moments. I enjoyed Kates reaction to going to dinner with Merideth. How she was saying it would make her look insecure if she didn't go. Not to mention she was also probably curious of the type of person Merideth is.
ReplyDeleteTo me the look on Kates face at the end was her just wondering who Castle is. Who the writer is behind all of his books. And i think she will make it her mission to discover his heart and really get to know him more personally. She has already fallen in love with him. I do think though as she dives deeper into him she will fall even harder. It is now her turn to take down his inner wall and give her his heart as she has done with him. Castle has changed a lot.
Kate may not have gotten the answer she wanted from Merideth but Kate also knows has a lot more depth than Merideth does. Merideth is probably great for that one time fling years ago, but Kate knows Castle a lot more and she isn't just interested in the next top 10. She is interested in him and everything he is. I think Castle and Kate are perfect together. They are always challenging each other, and they will always have a spark.
Now I understand that all of you wanted kate to say "I love you a little bit more now" instead of "like", but I think the like was just perfect there. Neither of them have said the I love you to the other. Remember CAstle only said it because she was dying in his arms. Obviously you are going to say it. I am willing to see what is it going to take for her to say it. She may be waiting for him. Who knows. He isnt pressuring her so neither should we. I know they love each other, and I am completely happy with everything I am given in the show. I love it and can't get enough. I think if you stop wanting it and just enjoy the show most of you will be a lot happier.
Anyway I loved the episode and can't wait for the next episode. Just one more week.
Caskett forever and always!!!!!!!!!
All good points and I agree, good episode.
DeleteJust as a matter of correctness, Castle has said "I love you" to Kate twice since she was shot. Both occurring during their arguement in "Always".
i just meant that he hasn't said it in this season so far. That was all.
DeleteAlso, it seems Castle says his ILYs under great distress...not only with Beckett, but his mom too. Remember he said it to her during "Cops and Robbers" when they thought the robbers were going to finish them off and the original 3XK episode Martha thought it so odd Rick said I love you to her over the phone she called Beckett in a panic. So I know everyone is waiting for Beckett's ILY, but I'd also like to hear another one from Castle when NOT being threatened by a bullet! Actually, I'd just be happy with another "always"...THAT melts my heart like nothing else, cause it's THEIRS! :)
Deleteit's 'theirs' what do you mean? I agree with you on the ILY though - good luck hearing it from either one of them this season.........:)
DeleteI mean that "always" is their (Castle and Beckett's) special word with each other...many fans, myself included, feel it's their way of saying ILY to each other without actually spelling it out. And it's "theirs" because no other character on the show uses it as consistently as they do with each other. Knockdown, Countdown, The Dead Pool, and Kill Shot all have that "always" exchange in them. It's sweet and heartfelt and very "Caskett".
DeleteI like Beckett's new view of Meredith, post-bonding, mostly because of some reassurances it must've given her regarding Castle & marriage. Remember in A Rose Forever After how she was impressed with Kyra, because she hadn't thought Castle went for real? She thought that based on his ex-wives, but having now a greater appreciation for Meredith as a person, I imagine Beckett is realizing that Castle may have been more discerning than she'd thought in choosing a wife. (Not that he didn't make a couple mistakes, anyway...) It must be comforting to think that one's partner was not as shallow as he/she presented him/herself. It will be fun to see Beckett peel back some of Castle's layers.
ReplyDeletepersonally i love the ep and i can see the bigger pic heere in terms of that ending as well castle knows so much about beckett past and now she realises she knows next to nothing about his and thats what Marlowe i belive is setting up here. i cant wait to see where this goes
ReplyDeleteI love what some of you are saying.....Castle has layers too:) This episode was a great way to set up hopefully learning more about him!
ReplyDelete~ Brittany
I think this episode was awesome! I am starting to think however that we as a fandom are taking the ILY from Kate to lightly. I am beginning to think that with the end of this episode being what it was, the rest of the season will hopefully bring Kate and Castle closer together through Kate discovering more and more about Castle. Then on the season finale, Kate dropping those three little words. I think Marlowe knows how hard it is for Kate's character to be so open and free with her emotions, and that now the tables will turn and it is Kate's turn to pry a little more into Castle's deep secrets. But I am definitely leaning towards Marlowe making the ILY the big season finale ender, or just a really big episode before that, I am still hoping for the Valentines day episode myself. Also I love how comfortable they are with each other, but I would like them to be a little bit more lovey towards each other in up coming episodes, a hug here, a sweet kiss there, just really see them be playful as a couple.
ReplyDeleteMeredith - hillarious !!! :D
ReplyDeleteIt took 5 years to peel back some of the layers of beckett. So now we have to spend another 5 years peeling back the layers of chastle Awsome cant wait.
ReplyDeleteI wish we'd get 5 years! We are lucky to get another one - but, sounds good to me:)
ReplyDeleteMay I ask why everyone thinks you will only get one more year out of the show? It still gets very good ratings for its time slot. Just keep watching so it can stay on air.
ReplyDeleteI dont worry about ratings or what Marlowe does (I trust his direction) or anythingelse except, how long will the actors hold out......
ReplyDeleteAside from all the relationship drama - did you see that fancy new murder board at the precinct? Did Castle buy them a present - just like the one in his office.
ReplyDeletei did notice that!
ReplyDeleteCome on guys there will never be more seasons then just one more there a rumors for a while that they get a 6th season but only a short one.Nathan said in his interview it would be great when they get one more season and that blind item thing is really real.1.Ausiello mentioned hell hath no fury(a Castle book and ep)Ryan did it too in last nights episode.2.Ausiello mentioned a powerful shipper community being mad.3.Ausiello mentioned that the couple spend their last chridtmas together the only two shows who had christmaseps Castle and Parenthood.4.Am did say a few weeks ago he knows exactly where these two end up this season the same time Ausiello learned about the blind item.5.The picture from Kate and Rick in the article is exactly from last nights episode.6.The episode was so full of hints and foreshadowing that it hurts.I could count more if you want but I think it is enough so for me they are the blind item and they will break up in the seasonfinale .
ReplyDeleteI guess you're a basic guy and you're not smart and clever enough to get the subtexts.
DeleteDon't worry, you're not alone to have missed school when you were small instead of learning things that could have helped you to get what really happens with Castle Tv Show........
Fortunately, there's real fans (not mad fans) who understand that it's just a show that will last as long as actors will be ok to do it and as long as ratings will be good......
Maybe you are right that I don't get that whole subtext thing but I am a real fan and that's why I am worried because I don't want the show to get canceled and leave the fans witout a proper ending.I am fine when tha actors and the producers don't want to continue but I always thought this show is different from other WTWT shows that's why I am a fan when they break up they just like all the other shows. that would disappoint me
DeleteA real fan doesn't worry...
Delete...A real fan just has fun and doesn't worry about some breakup because that's a TV Show!!!and I do love this Castle Tv Show!!!!!!
So what did that end mean...more insecurities. Well I can see what direction they are taking. I think this ep just proves that Caskett is the blind item.Im so done with this show. Have them together for a season and then break them up? Ausiellos hints are so caskett related, it has to be them. Im not sticking around to see how they break up. Of course every damn insecurity will come out then.
ReplyDeleteSo ok!! You just have to get away from this show, you and your silly evidences!!
DeleteThat end means that Kate is gonna work now to know and understand Castle a little better b/c Meredith just made her realize that she really knows very little from him.....his douts, his fears, his past, his childhood and so on...
Four years with Kate's walls and now she's gonna try to get his layers down!!!
That's no insecurity, dude, that's what I call Hope!!!
Marlowe says they don't broke up...is no sense put them togheter after fours years and break up after six months...i think Castle has layers to peel...and marlowe says that for wedding or kids not now...too early...but in the end on the season...may be...i dont't know this one or another...but castle isn't the blind item ...i beleive in Marlowe
Delete11:51 pm - Did you read the hundreds of other posts before you posted yours? It's clearly a brilliant segue of Kate reflected on her love and how she will get to know Castle better now for the rest of teh season...........
DeleteAnd for crying out loud - the finale is not even written yet people!!! Auselio has no clue - why would he when AM hasn't even figured it out yet? Do you guys not bother reading all the other posts??? It's a work in progress..........he sees how the characters develop as he goes. But, he will not break them up unless it's for a temp. dramatic effect to get them CLOSER. Am is a romantic..........
I dont think castle is the blind item simply because well if they break up for any reason they would just kill the show goodbye viewers I am also hearing they have a nother nikki heat book in the works as well. Remember marlowe mentioned marriage was gonna get talked about I am now wondering if they are gonna have that talk about how his marraiges failed just a thought
ReplyDeleteRead the Bihichky answers on twitter..Everybody is worried about Kate's face at the end. I'm not cause it will lead to great things right! Exactly. After this....i am sure that Castle isn't the blind item..
ReplyDeleteI read that as well one of the well so I am not worried I am more curious and that what i got from beckett face at the end
Deletewhat does it say? the twitter?
DeleteAnd can I just say I LOVED LOVED the scene b/w Castle Martha and then Mere-Kate.It was hilarious and just went to show how Castle is run over by the women in his life.So cute and adorable......Nathan rocked in that scene - AB also mentioned that in his tweet.And the honking noise from Kate was also awesome :D I love it when Kate pulls Castle's chains - brings back the memories of S1-3.
ReplyDeleteAnother tweet from AB says that Castle is a story of a guy trough the story of the woman who wants 2 know the story of this man . Wall r involved.
ReplyDeleteAFter this tweet i am positive...and now i think that Kate is ready to kniw better Castle and enter in his dark side of life...and also the castle' s wall comes down soon
He RT ed it....
DeleteRick and Kate both have flaws. That's what makes their characters so endearing to the audience. Kate has relationship insecurities to be sure, but I think the expression on her face at the end may be more about self reflection than concern. Its true she knows little about Castle's past, but the look may be her sudden realization that she has never really bothered to ask. Up until now, everything has been about her. He knows so much about her, but she has never bothered to reciprocate. Aside from her inquiring about the origin of his fascination with the macbre in one episode, her interest in Castle's past has been limited to his relationships with other women. She may be now considering how shallow she has been in that regard. You will notice that Season 5 is really the first time you see Kate get Rick coffee. I think AM is gradually evolving and maturing these characters. Over the past 5 years, each of them seems to be picking up the best qualities of the other and strengthening their relationship in the process.
ReplyDeleteFrom a writer's point of view, opening up Rick's past gives them a whole new realm of story telling from which to develop new episodes. I think THAT is the main purpose of the end scene.
I agree with you
Deleteabsolutely - well said.
DeleteSo, I'm so glad to see that this time, there's no heart attack, no suicide, no nervous breakdown and so on.....
ReplyDeleteFans are just becoming adults, now, except some "no limit" guys who still just see and imagine the worst!!!
Most of us have understood the "weird" Kate's look at the end:
It doesn't mean "my God, I got the wrong man". It means "You are the good one and I'm gonna prove it!"
good
DeleteDo you guys read all the other posts before you posts yours - so much redundancy!!! The ending was a beautiful segue to the second half of the season tapping into now Castle's past. It was brilliant!
ReplyDeleteAnd for crying out loud - the finale is not even written yet people!!! Auselio has no clue - why would he when AM hasn't even figured it out yet? Do you guys not bother reading all the other posts??? It's a work in progress..........he sees how the characters develop as he goes. But, he will not break them up unless it's for a temp. dramatic effect to get them CLOSER. AM is a romantic..........
what was your take on when KB said 'yeah, me and rick' in that way back to mer saying 'so, you and rick?'.
ReplyDeleteHmmm, I noticed that too. Here's my take 1) (and this is just psycho-babble-bs, but hey) In Kate's mind "Rick" is the playboy author whereas "Castle" is her devoted partner. To her they're different, ya know? So maybe her reaction was kind of like "I am NOT just another one of Rick's long line of women". And 2) (and probably the most accurate) her response was "this is a conversation I soooo don't want to be having with his ex-wife".... Kind of awkward discussing your relationship with your boyfriend's ex-wife. :)
Deletethat makes sense. i like it........thanks for responding.
DeleteAnon 1:53 - I like that theory. It reminds me of that part in Walk the Line where June asks, "Where's my friend, John? 'Cause I don't like this guy, Cash!" (or something like that); she had different names for him describing different parts of his personality.
DeleteI wouldn't believe Michael Ausiello's "blind item" will be Caskett at this stage. Apparently one of his hints was that the fandom are big and would get very mad when it happens. That is why it would be very foolish of Andrew Marlowe to suddenly break these two up after all the work put in to get them together. Every time there's a bit of angst between the characters you always read people claiming that they're not going to watch the episode (or in more extreme cases claiming their abandoning the ship once and for all). If there is a break up it's pretty much a given that a lot of the fans that make these threats will actually carry them out and leave the show for good. There are many people in this fandom who are very protective of "their Caskett".
ReplyDeleteIf a break up does occur then I can't imagine it will be a relationship ending break up but more of a temporary thing, maybe initiated by one of them to protect the other? All the noises I've heard from Andrew Marlowe have tended to point towards the fact that he sees this show as a great love story intertwined with the Police Procedural elements, and that there is so much material he can work with now that the two of them are a couple. I think he's savvy enough to know that the fans would revolt big time if he tore his two characters apart, so he more than likely won't cause too much trouble between them.
"Significant Others" seemed to be sowing the seeds to allow Kate to discover more about Rick's past than what she knows now. Over the course of nearly four and a half seasons we've seen Rick help guide Kate into breaking down her wall and coming out of her shell. Now it seems we will see Kate return the favour. The Johanna Beckett murder conspiracy has been at the core of this show and has been a major driving force into getting the two characters together. Now that they have reached that point the case can be put to rest sooner rather than later. Once Senator Bracken has been brought to justice I'd imagine that the mystery surrounding Rick's father's true identity will move into the place that the Johanna Beckett murder conspiracy currently holds. Then we should see a bit of a role reversal as Kate helps Rick open up more and more like he did for her. This has gotten me very excited and interested to see where this show goes from here. I read someone claiming that this show will only sustain another short season after this. Foolish rumour. I don't think the boffins at ABC would let go of this show that easily, not when there's so much more material that this show can offer.
The closing scene made me think; I wonder if Kate realized she doesn't know as much about Castle because she never has asked.
ReplyDeleteI think Beckett is realising that she has been taking Castle a little bit for granted. Assuming that he always will be there like a good puppy. If he is a good boy, he gets his reward. If he's not, he gets chided and sent outside untill he behaves.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if she'll want him around for much longer once she starts digging into his past.
A bit like a puppy who has become too big and unmanageable, she might not want the responsability of keeping him.